Circles Off Episode 192 - How To ACTUALLY Find Your Edge In Sports Betting

00:00 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
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00:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm like you gotta get out of homes. 

00:08 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
They're just like casually jogging around screaming for Team Eli. 

00:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Welcome to Circles Off, part of the Hammer Betting Network and presented by Underdog. I'm Rob Pizzola. We got another interview for this week, a guest that I've been looking forward to interviewing for a long time because I don't really know anything about him. We interact a lot online, spoken a couple of times through Twitter DMs, but aside from that, I'm going into this one pretty blind, so we're going to get to that in just one second, but I do want to shout out our show sponsor, underdog. 

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Our guest on this week's episode is someone that I I really don't know much about. I started following on twitter fairly recently because he caught my attention for a lot of his takes in the space. You can follow him on twitter at mr mr underscore peanut better, mr peanut better. Mike joins us on circles off this week. Mike, how's it going? 

02:51 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
uh, good, happy to be on rob. 

02:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's, uh, one of my favorite shows, so uh, blessed to be on you don't have to butter me up in the early going or anything like that, it's totally fine wow, you know, I was hoping I know you're a hard-hitting journalist so I was just trying to get you on my side here for these hard hitting questions later. 

03:08
Yes, absolutely Great strategy in the early going. Okay, so I first came across you and I thought your account was really interesting, both in the sense that it was funny. A lot of your tweets resonated with me. You've built up kind of this reputation in the sharper side of gambling Twitter over the past year, maybe a little bit more than that, but I don't think anyone really knows how you got started in the space. So, if you can, what's your background in sports betting? How did you get involved? 

03:40 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I think one thing that probably surprises some people I haven't been betting for that long. I'm pretty new to the space. Really started betting only seriously or, I guess, being in the industry, as some people would say in regards to GRP but only started doing that about three years ago. I started as a trader. Before that I was betting casually, but nothing that was certainly profitable. It definitely was minus EV, definitely was down all that but really wasn't doing it seriously at all. So basically everything that I have kind of experienced as a bettor has been within the past three years. So I would say that's you know kind of probably why you ever heard of me in any regards or anything like that. So I would say that's you know kind of probably why you ever heard of me in any regards or anything like that. So pretty new to the space. 

04:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But yeah, Okay. So prior to becoming a trader, what were you doing and like? What made you want to apply for a trading position somewhere? 

04:40 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, absolutely. So I was an actuary. I wouldn't say I was happy at my job, necessarily I was. You know, growing up I always was doing that with the hopes of maybe getting into sports more seriously, kind of through the back door. And then when I was doing that, I got promoted. You know that meme where it's like oh, I accidentally became important. 

05:20
Where that kind of happened to me, where I had they started a new role and they actually put me in it. Where that kind of happened to me where I had, uh, they started a new role and they actually put me in it. So I was starting this new job, um, and then within six months of that, I was like, okay, this is doing too much trying to do the sports content with it, gave up on the sports, thought, all right, now it is what it is. I just I'm, it wasn't meant to be, I'm not going to work in sports. 

05:44
Uh, after working there for a little bit, I got offered a new job and actually during the week off between jobs I happened to just read the book logic of sports betting and in it they mentioned, you know there's, these people called traders, where I think he describes them as an army of nerds. In regards to sports. I was like well, you know, I'm pretty good at math, I love sports, let's see if I could apply to one of these places just during my week off. And then, while I was actually at my new job training, I flew down to their headquarters. They flew me out everything I interviewed for my sports trading position and they were like hey how would you? 

06:24
like a job Way less money, way less stability. And I was in so immediately gave up the actuary career and then became a trader. 

06:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Really interesting background. Definitely, I think I can say without question, you're the most liked actuary in gambling Twitter right now. 

06:46 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty low bar. That's like being the skinniest kid at fat camp. You know, it's not necessarily a very social group. So I would say that I definitely was probably a little bit louder, a little bit more demonstrative than a lot of my classmates. So yeah, that makes sense. 

07:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
When you were working, your, when you were working in, in your trading position, at what point did uh potentially leaving that to bet on sports become a reality for you? 

07:15 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, so when I first started, uh, there was a rule at the company that traders weren't supposed to bet. Um, and I mean I flew out to Vegas. I wasn't betting seriously before that, so it wasn't a big deal. 

07:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was going to follow the rules like everyone. And then soon I got there and realized that everybody was actually betting. 

07:33 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
You know, I followed the rules at first and then you realize everybody else is betting. So I mean, early on I was just kind of picking my spots and spots where I was like, oh you know, this is undervalued, or very selective about my betting process. Obviously it wasn't scale, but you know, maybe a little arrogant but like a few months in, I was like OK, I can at least make a side hustle of this. 

07:57
I can at least make some side income betting in small spots while I'm trading, small spots while I'm trading. And then I was. You know, it's one of those things where you start betting small, start betting like these specific situations and then eventually you end up where you're just betting all the time. Right. 

08:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Now, a lot of bettors come from obviously different backgrounds. Because you were an actuary, I'm automatically assuming that math and modeling were kind of the route that you took in the early going of betting. Is that a fair assumption? 

08:30 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
yeah, I would say it's probably a little bit more basic math than a lot of people would suspect. It wasn't anything that necessarily I needed an actuarial degree in order to do. Uh you know. Just there are things that I now, because I think I at least have the background to have I kind of pick it up easier. I would say, if I'm learning it, but a lot of it, I'm relearning myself or kind of teaching myself. Looking at different things, I would say that the math aspect of the actuarial aspect of what I'm doing modeling is oftentimes a little bit overrated. 

09:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's not like it's exactly apples to apples, but obviously there's some overlap and you know just having a familiar math background. 

09:13 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I think helps. 

09:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that's interesting. Just curious because you mentioned that the math is a lot more basic than maybe a lot of people would realize. What kind of markets were you going after in the early going? 

09:27 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
So really early on I was betting more main three, but I was just betting it very like once every couple weeks or things like that where I thought I particularly had good insight. 

09:41
I would say, in general, kind of most of my betting starts where I think something is pretty hard to price, in that there's a lot of uncertainty, there's a lot of like I don't know. You're kind of just throwing a number at it and guessing. So that's really where almost all my models start, with me thinking this particular spot is really hard to price. How do they do it? And then I put together a hack, you know guess on it basically, and then from there you just kind of stop and refine and refine, and refine until eventually you have kind of a full working model. But mostly I would say that I was trying to I kind of let the market decide what I was going to attack. First I was trying to get stuff that I thought was either priced poorly or very weird circumstances that I thought I can model this quickly with the guess of a number here and try to do it that way. 

10:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Now I have a lot of friends who either are traders now or have been traders before. I've obviously worked on the other side of the counter before, as many of our listeners would know as well. A lot of my friends that are traders they speak of sort of a life experience or story where, just by virtue of being a trader and being able to see what other sharp bettors were betting, they basically had like the gears going in their head of like I can do this as well. How much of your journey into being a sports better came from your ability to see action on the other side of the counter. 

11:14 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I think it was helpful, and particularly seeing that just the different types of bettors that you kind of get to watch If that's coming, you see, you see, oh, this guy, he loves betting this spot particularly, and I guess, since that's something that I was already kind of gravitating towards, anyways, I thought that like, for example, we had a guy who if you uh saw his last name, he was a weatherman and he literally bet in bad weather situations and held a huge percentage just betting in the weather. 

11:47
So kind of seeing the different ways people approach different situations I think was really helpful into seeing, okay, like, where do you not want to take a bet? Oftentimes, you know, as a trader, when you see a bet come in, you can oftentimes tell, oh you know, I didn't want to take this right here, obviously it's better, you want to be that person who's lighting it up. And they're like, oh, why did I allow that? 

12:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I love that I did an episode it was the last episode that Johnny did with me at the end of 2024, where we click baited the title of like here's what you need to do to win in 2025. But part of that episode was about like figuring out what your edge is. Find your edge as a better and like the weather example rings true as someone who might not have had any sports knowledge, but their edge was just being able to get down before other people did on weather situations, and that in and of itself is enough to oftentimes, you know, be very worthwhile. So I appreciate you sharing that story. Mike, I'm curious what are you betting, mostly nowadays? 

12:49 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah. So I'm kind of betting, at least in some capacity. Year round Busiest season is probably college football is the highest volume in terms of probably dollars. Busiest in terms of every day there's something is NBA. I bet NBA props from college football right into NBA props. And then you know I've been betting UFL lately and I'll pick up on some of these kind of weirder small sports kind of situations like that. I've had some unrivaled even this year, basically anything where there's not a lot of data. I think I do a pretty good job of estimating. You know, either where there's some data but not a ton, where I can kind of estimate a number or decide how much to bring it back or how much is this real, those kinds of situations where it's kind of a mix of subjective and a little bit of math. I think that's kind of the area I thrive in and it also helps that those are lower-limit markets where I don't have to compete against the thrill. You know legitimate better, so I like to hang on those kind of markets too. 

13:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I want to dig in a little bit on probably college football and NBA. Let's start with college football. I know it's off-season right now, but I'm curious what a typical college football betting week looks like for you. Are you betting mostly early in the week, later in the week Do you do live? Are there props involved? What does betting college football encompass for you? 

14:20 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
It's surprising you didn't want to go with the UFL or WNBA content instead of going with college football. It's surprising you didn't want to go with the UFL or WNBA content, instead went with college football. But yeah, for college it's been a little bit different year by year, just as my bankrolls grow. Before I was able to bet a lot on Sundays and now obviously I want to wait a little bit more. But with that you obviously find ways to get down that are a little bit different. Which helpful, um. But last year I guess probably just the easiest way to look at last year I was betting. I would bet sides, usually Tuesday totals on Wednesday. You know, obviously, if something's moving or if I think that there's a certain spot, you'll go before that. But trying in general Tuesday and Wednesdays where I could get, you know, a full fill of what I wanted for each market there through different means, and then later in the week betting some derivative stuff. 

15:14
I did first halves, first quarters and then some SGP stuff I added in kind of by accident halfway through the halfway through the season. I had some movers that I was talking to. I was betting one kind of prop and they're like, you know, could you make it actually an sgp of something that's kind of related and just kind of iterated on the fly and did that. So that's how that was uh helpful and kind of a new area. I think these scps are pretty beatable, like obviously everybody's betting seriously starting to look into these. It's not like a novel concept. But I think that if you can take something that you already had and try to kind of jam it into that way, a lot of times there's edge to be found there. 

15:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, to be clear, I asked you about college football instead of UFL because there's probably about seven people betting Ufl and I feel like you're gonna really give away an edge or something if I, if I dig deep onto that yeah, it's me and dins are probably the two people that I know that actually better, consistently so, and I mean that it's probably not even the smallest bit of his attention, but yeah, so that's an interesting. 

16:22 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
And then you know w2, so yeah, that's another interesting sport for everyone. 

16:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Um, we've exchanged a few dms over the last year or so, nothing crazy. But you did mention to me that, um, you do some halftime betting in college football. Now, listening to you talk, now you're talking about how you're betting first halves. Um, curious, we're like are you also doing a bunch of second half stuff, or is all of the derivative betting coming pregame? 

16:50 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I'm betting some second half spots. Usually if I'm betting on a Saturday live, I'm trying to target things that happened in the game that I think might not necessarily be priced, you know, for the rest of the game as well as would be, for example, if you have a game that's one of the if it's say, it's the 15th most important game on Saturday and a college quarterback goes down. There's no data on that backup quarterback. It can vary wildly from. This. 

17:21
Guy was competing for the job in the spring and he was basically right on the guy's ass, so he was. 

17:28
You know, there's no downgrade at all, or it could be a kid. 

17:31
I mean, I remember the one year the Oklahoma State quarterback came in and he was so nervous his hand was trembling and you can see him like. 

17:38
I mean. So the gap in these quarterbacks that come in a lot of times they're injury gap in these quarterbacks that come in a lot of times they're injury or sometimes it could be a team has decided to slow the pace down for the first half because they want to get out of there and not get beat by more than 50 if it's a huge spread game, kind of things that are happening live. That I think might not necessarily get priced in until the second half and it probably is at the end of the half. But I think a lot of times you know early or if you're betting it live it's. It's a little bit scarier because it's hard to really model things, you know, unless you're very good, which I'm not, it's hard to model anything live because the sports books do, uh, but you kind of have to be directionally correct there and kind of know where the price should approximately be, just by almost rest. 

18:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right. So on that topic, are you preparing for this beforehand? Like, as an example, would you have I don't know what is it 120 roughly college football teams and know a rough difference between quarterback and backup? Is that something that happens on the fly? Is it field-based Like? Walk me through what you do in those scenarios. 

18:47 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, ideally a lot more of it would be prepped ahead of time. I think that mostly it was just a bandwidth thing where a lot of times I'm kind of seeing something happen, being like, okay, what's going on here? And, if there's enough time, trying to react, mostly before or during the halftime. I think during the halftime is when kind of the lines get cleaned up and put into place by bettors who know what they're doing. But when there's live, obviously there's people betting into those live markets and it's not completely inefficient, but it's certainly not as efficient as halftime as the people who have developed models over the years and are betting with higher limits when it comes down. So a lot of times what I'm doing is kind of scrambling. But I think that ideally you would like to go in with a list every Saturday of, okay, here's things that we could be watching. And obviously you can't scramble, depending on what happens. You'll never be able to prep for every situation, but ideally I would like to prep. 

19:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But we're not there yet. 

19:50
On that injury news front. I'd like to explore that a little bit further, but maybe more so in the pregame capacity where nowadays there's so much college football injury news. I'll call it news in quotations that's available, and the reason I say that is because I'm not sure how often this stuff is already priced into markets beforehand with people who know how accurate the reporting is. I talked to many people who bet college football. They all give me very different perspectives on, you know, whether or not this injury news has has meaningfully changed the market as a whole. How do you view, you know, the the increase of widely available information in the last couple of years in the college football betting market? 

20:36 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, it's tough to know what's already priced in, what's been leaked out. With pros I feel it's so much more standard and cookie cutter that you kind of know one. You know you can tell. The lines are so much more efficient. You can kind of tell if it's been priced in or not. 

20:52
For college lines might move pretty late in the week and it's unclear if it's because of the injury news or if it's because of something else. Completely you know I'm not well connected enough to have any kind of inside information or anything like that. So I'm basically flying blind a lot of times and betting earlier in the week removes some of that. You're speculating on a lot of it but you're not how much it's really priced in. On Monday or Tuesday you can't know if that guy's going to be ready beyond whether you already knew he was out live from the game before. So I think a lot of times you're kind of projecting injuries and I think in college a lot of times if it's not the quarterback, I don't know it's really quarterback and cluster injuries are the two things you have to be worried about, at least in my opinion. 

21:42
College football, because the backup for the best teams, like you know, the backup for Ohio State is going to be coming in. He's going to be a five-star recruit who's also super talented, so the guy that goes out is being replaced by someone of equal talent. A lot of times it's because these schools are so much different in talent. I think that the backup you know, there's a big gap between Justinin jefferson and his backup compared to, uh, average nfl wide receiver and his backup, ohio state's star wide receiver and their backup. The gap between that and bowling green and their backup is kind of the same. So maybe I didn't do a page out of explaining that there, but I think, uh, it kind of sorts itself out, except for, you know, clusters and qbs. 

22:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
yeah, so I, I, I get you know clusters and QBs, yeah, so I get what you're getting at. And nowadays, when I'm talking about, you know, the prevalence of injury information in the market. Underdog has great feeds for all the major sports Seen Unabated get involved recently with College Football News as well, and I've always wondered, because each sport is different. I see this a lot in the hockey market and, again, we're very different bettors. I'm big on hockey, but I'll often see like some sort of injury information that comes out on one of these feeds and the market immediately gets hit to the other side and I'm sitting there and I'm like, well, this is actually insignificant altogether. 

23:01
In some cases it's actually probably, you know, it could be good that this player is out of the lineup, um, yet there seems to be like this abundance of reaction to injury news and I always wondered about the college market for the reasons that you mentioned. Right, like, is a random edge rusher on, you know, alabama, for example? Um going to be the equivalent of an edge rusher on tulane or something like that? And how are people processing that in real time? 

23:28 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
basically, yeah, for college it's a little bit different because the information seems to kind of trickle out more than it does just blast, and, like you know, I've got NBA too it's underdog. When underdog tweets it, you just see the screen so you can see exactly the impact of what's happening. You know, sometimes you can get people tweeting like hints, other beat reporters and stuff like that, but for college it seems like it's largely getting leaked into the information somehow. And then also, I just don't think the moves are as big Like you said. I think because it's unless it's a real star player for a smaller school. Usually the backups for these top-level schools, where all the best players are, are so much better than the competition they're playing anyways. How much of a difference does it make if you're going from 90-rated players, if you're talking like old Madden ratings, if you go from 90 versus 70 to 87 versus 70, it doesn't matter that much as opposed to in the NFL where obviously the difference between every team is so much smaller in college, right. 

24:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Having the actuarial background. Obviously you have a good strong foundation in mathematics and I always find it really interesting talking to people who have the mathematical background in terms of how they a good, strong foundation in mathematics. And I always find it really interesting talking to people who have the mathematical background in terms of how they approach sports betting, where you have the extreme, which I'll say Rufus Peabody is one extreme, one way, where it's like I am going to try to quantify everything, I'm going to try to model everything. Then I'm kind of maybe somewhere in the middle where I won't bet against my models, but sometimes I might lay off and be like hey, you know what? I've been showing an edge on this team six straight games. It's not going well. I don't know if this is true, you know. And then there's some math guys who are like you know what I like to mix in a lot of subjective feel. I will oftentimes play against my own numbers. Where do you stand on that spectrum? 

25:29 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
So I incorporate some subjective stuff, but I always try to at least put the subjective whatever adjustments I like to make I make to. You know, if I'm going to adjust one way, I'll do it to the team rating rather than post after everything's been run. I think I'll do it to the team rating rather than post after everything's been run. I think if you do it after everything's been run, I find a lot of times I'm not very price sensitive. I want to react to a certain piece of information a certain way. I already kind of have it in my head oh, you know, this guy's out, I want to do this. So I think I'm better off. 

26:02
If I do do some kind of subjective adjustment, I do it to the actual values inside the model rather than the game post after everything's been run. I would say that I think there's a difference between you know there's subjective inputs and there's objective ones that even if you can't necessarily price it correctly, there is just an objective value to it. So I think there's certain things that you want to try to incorporate as much as you can, but when it gets to the softer values of team rating, how much this player matters, that's where I think subjective kind of factors in more than necessarily. You know, the wind was 18 miles per hour, got it. 

26:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You mentioned a little bit about SGPs, and same game parlays have become huge in the industry nowadays. A lot of people dismiss them as sucker bets. A lot of sharper bettors know that there's lots of times where you can use the SGPs in your advantage. I've seen them exploited many times in other sports, especially the NFL nowadays. I know some guys who are they're making a lot off of SGPs very low win rates, shooting for the moon, but they hit them and they go well. I'm kind of familiar with college football markets. I do bet some college football props but from what I can tell, the amount of options in market is nowhere close to that of NFL. So when you talk about taking advantage of SGPs, how limited are those markets? Are you doing some correlated stuff where the market is still in the early going, where it doesn't quite understand the correlations? I don't want you to give away an edge. I don't ask people to do that, but just curious how you're using them to benefit right now. 

27:59 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I would say kind of getting into it without really getting into it. I try to do things that are based on standard correlations or standard probabilities that they put in there and adjust it to team specific stuff. So essentially they're going to come up with. This is a correlation for this situation based on tons of approach for this situation based on tons of approach, tons of data, usually fed into some kind of I'm guessing machine learning or some kind of giant matrix that is probably math above my pay grade. 

28:33
So what I'm trying to do is find specific situations where. Why would that correlation? Not apply to this team, or why would that correlation be wrong here? It's tough because there's not a ton of player props, so it's basically all game stuff. Yeah, um, and it's, you know, it's not those I'm not betting any kind of long shot uh sgp stuff like that with the nfl where there's a lot more of that available. 

28:56
Um, so it's more just game stuff and kind of kind of fitting it to more specific information based on the teams uh, which college? Because there's so much variety in the teams, I think that there's kind of more opportunities there. 

29:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yep, that makes a lot of sense to me. Okay, let's flip over to NBA Very different sport, obviously daily league instead of betting weekly. When it comes to NBA, are you betting similar types of things? In the NBA, I know you mentioned, you do bet props, which is you know. Again, there's just way more in terms of NBA props to bet on a daily basis than there are college football. But are you mostly focused on the same stuff? 

29:37 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yes, I'm betting mostly. You know points. I started the year doing points and threes, I was able to add in um, some assist and rebound stuff, uh, in the middle of this year, um, and a lot of my stuff, you know, is still pretty new, so I'm kind of adding in features, mid-season and stuff like that. So I added in sdps for this season. Uh, once again it was something where I was like, hey, I was just kind of scrolling through, just checking out odds and kind of plugging in and looking at a few different things. 

30:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was like no, this doesn't look right to me. 

30:11 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Could I whip together some real hack job of something that I think could price it kind of close. That I knew wasn't going to be perfect, but I was like, all right, is this good enough to beat what I think they're pricing fundamentally wrong? So I've been betting that right, is this good enough to beat what I think they're pricing fundamentally wrong? So I've been betting that recently, which has been helpful, and I think it's better for accounts, especially if you can kind of add it in where one you're losing often before you're winning big. So I think that's helpful. And then two, obviously they're pushing all these people for SGPs. They're not going to push everyone to bet SGPsPs and then, when you bet SGPs, be upset. So as long as it's not super flagrant or obvious what you're doing there, kind of mix it up a little bit. 

30:53
I think that it probably helps count life, although to be honest I don't. I'm mostly kind of betting through other people at this point that I can't tell for sure. 

31:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, on the topic of account longevity or health, I often see a lot of debate on which markets are better to bet on in the community. Some people argue that player props are great because of the ease of winning high ROI. That player props are great because of the ease of winning high ROI. Others say game markets offer more long-term value because of the limiting factor. When you know you're betting high volume props, do you lean one way or another? 

31:35 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
You know, not really. Um, I will say there is a nice part about props, uh, where college, college football, it's all on one day and you're like you know whether this goes good or bad, it's my income riding on it. And uh, like the first week of college football this year I think I was 2 and 18, so and uh, you know, week one is even harder because you get to get more down, because you're able to get down quietly. So it's, you know, really rough. And nba, if I go on a 2 of 18 stretch it's fine, you know you just pick up the next day and get to keep moving. So I do think like props are easier in that regard. 

32:13
Um, as far as you know account, longevity and things like that, I will say I think that if you're able to, I think the prop market is Easy enough to beat if you're truly originating it. You know it's tougher if you're doing top-down or if you need razor-thin margins, but if you're originating it, sometimes there's edges that are big enough that you don't have to take best price and that can kind of it opens up a lot of door sees. So if I'm willing to take a price, that is, you know, even worse in market one. It opens up a lot of doors for you. So if I'm willing to take a price that is, you know, even worse than market one, I think it probably helps your accounts better. And two, you can just obviously get down to so many more places. So I think, because there are bigger edges, sometimes it gets underrated that you just have a wider variety of places you can bet, you know, any given day. 

32:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, it's actually funny. You mentioned that I try all sorts of shit when it comes to trying to avoid getting limited. Obviously, I've talked about account priming here before. I still think that's very important. Everyone has their own individual experiences of what works for them. What doesn't Depends on the book. Might have just been random timing with the trader that happened to be on shift when you fired a bunch of bets. There's lots of stuff that that has to do with that and I still continue, you know to to go down these paths. 

33:31
One of the experiments I've been doing was was not taking best price, and it's. It's really weird for me to say that because I've obviously advocated that for that forever. Being a co-owner of a product like Betstamp, which is built on, you know, find the best price in market and bet it there. I still think that's a great advice to a recreational better generally, especially one that doesn't have an edge. But once you actually do build up the edge, when you go wipe out the best price on screen at every single sports book every time, I think your longevity is is pretty much nothing at that point for the health of the account. So, um, yeah, it's funny. Just interesting to hear you mention that as well, because for me that's been a big thing over the last several months, which is still taking good prices but not taking the obvious price. 

34:20 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Let's put it that way prices, but not taking the obvious price. Let's put it that way. Yeah, I'll be honest, I I often do take the best price too, but I'm kind of, I'm taking it, so I'm going to get down on the prop and as many places as I can, so I'm basically betting it a lot of times. 

34:35
I'll bet it if the board is you know, not if there's nothing if everything's relatively in market, I'll bet it at just every single sports book. So you're almost flooding them with so many bets that they're not looking at it and maybe that's not actually helpful at all. But I think that if you're just kind of picking and choosing spots, it's a lot easier to see than when you're just if you go in at the same time every single day and this person's like oh, he's betting at you know nine o'clock and he just hammers 15 bets. If I was a recreational better, I would probably just go into my screen, look and whatever the price was at the time, I'd bet it. I wouldn't wait till you know different times in the market and try to pick and choose and things like that. So I again, it's all speculation, like you said, I have no idea it could be I. 

35:20
The funny thing is the reason I have, you know, the Twitter burner name is I had a friend who worked at Fanatics and I primed an account. I was betting WNBA, got a couple of decent bets in and I messaged him. I was like, hey, you know, I got limited. I'm down here. What's going on? Like, yeah, we review accounts that are betting a certain amount and they found, uh, you know one of your old articles that you wrote when I was writing doing some content stuff. He's like we found one of those and then put the limits on you. There I was like, ah, so you really got to try to wrap up every kind of piece of internet presence you have. 

36:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Which is pretty much impossible for me, mike, I've learned that the hard way. Yeah, I mean, it's an unfortunate nature of being a public figure. Before I was actually a winning bettor, because, yeah, there's no workaround for someone quickly Googling your name and seeing you all over a bunch of betting content that's, you know, at the time sponsored by pinnacle sharp book as well, wasn't, wasn't really helping my cause. I'll tell you that yeah, just on that. 

36:30 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I mean when I wrote that article I would have been losing better. So they, they really would have messed up. But I I mean also, probably when I wrote that article I wouldn't be betting a dime on a random wmba game, so I'm sure that they probably figured that out too. 

36:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, and listen, there are some sports books I mean Fanatics would definitely be one of them where I don't think the strategies that you may employ at other books are necessarily going to work there. Anyways, just my experiences, experiences On the NBA side. Have there been any NBA betting angles that have worked well in the past? That? 

37:10 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
have since dried up that you could maybe share. I don't know if they necessarily dried up. I would say that I used to bet a lot more. I would do kind of race to score stuff First, field goal, team stuff. I would do a ton of early on and it's just gotten harder. I guess I mean it's dried up in the sense that it's just really hard to bet it now. Before it was a little bit easier. Part of that is just me increasing my bet size where it's like you know before, where it was $500 was definitely worth my time. 

37:39
Now it's like you know, just I'm not going to worry about this bet, um, but I think part of it is also books just realizing that it was probably a bunch of sharp people betting it that this isn't a particularly fun bet for a person. They're going to bet the first player to score the basket. They're not going to bet the first team, um. So that's something that I think that you know a lot of these bets, that if it's not fun to the casual, better, how long is it really going to last? That was probably one example of that, I think. 

38:08 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Are you still dabbling in the first player to score a basket? 

38:12 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
No, not really. It's just, it's something that you kind of or at least I needed to run pretty consistently. I had a pretty good out for race to like five, race to ten kind of thing. Yeah, um, unfortunately, I think that they are no longer paying out. Very many sharp customers, I think uh, they've been kind of uh in some news for different people know that they're not paying out now, so that was uh one of my hours for a while and it seems like it's gone now. 

38:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I only ask because I actually love that market for sweat, so I've been top-downing, first to score and then first to score from each team using BetStamp Pro. What I like about it is obviously the odds that you can get on a lot of these bets, which are long shots, but it is actually just such a great sweat at like 7, 7.30 Eastern when the games are tipping off. I'm not a huge NBA guy, like not a big basketball fan, but I can watch like the first minute of every game and, like I don't know, to me it's like one of the best, best sweats you could possibly have in sports betting. 

39:20 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, there was a period where, early in the year, we were actually able to get like, uh, we had some vip accounts, uh, there's some people and we were able to get a decent amount and when we would have, you know, first team to score field when we had, well, it was a pretty good chunk of change and they missed like the first three shots. You're just like and oftentimes it wouldn't even be worth it for me to like turn the game on, so I'd have it on that like little espn gamecast. I'm watching it like a real that's a real, you know degenerate sweat of watching just uh animation update and saying like, oh, am I going to get a field goal or not? 

39:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
uh it's. It's so incredibly rewarding when you win that type of bet, but also can be so incredibly tilting too, like when you got the first player to score who takes the first two shots for a team and misses both. I've had situations where you know a guy will be going in for a layup and gets fouled and then, like the ref says no, no, it's on the it's. You know, it's not a shooting foul, it's on. The foul happened on the floor. You're like, no, what the hell's going on here? Like he very clearly in the process of making a layup. Love that market, um, one of my favorites altogether. I'm just trying to think of of stuff over the years and I don't think there's anything better for me than than that first bucket, whether it was the team to to score first the player to score. I've always been really interested in that market yeah, yeah, I I had. 

40:39 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Uh, when women yama first came into the NBA, I was betting it pretty consistently. I just didn't think they adjusted to the fact that he's a 7'6 alien fast enough, so like he should obviously be a huge favorite to win every jump ball and the Spurs obviously sucked. So I bet a lot of money and ended up losing a lot of money consistently betting per score, and then eventually they figured it out and started pricing it right. So I was just a huge loser in betting on those kinds of situations. 

41:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So yeah, those are tough ones. You did mention the smaller markets. You bet like WNBA, ufl. You mentioned as well. What do those markets look like, I guess? Let me refine the question by saying have you found them to be more competitive as years have gone on, or have they just been relatively stagnant? 

41:32 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I don't really know, just because I haven't been betting it long enough, kind of to pick up on some of those things. 

41:36
I would say that they're a little. Everybody would kind of put together the ufl and wmba, but really it's it's based on the way. I bet ufl is more like nba props, where it's a lot of in nba projects. Looking at the assumptions that you're taking, whether it's field over eight minutes, you know shooting percentage etc. And you're kind of you're kind of adjusting to that manually, or at least I am based on different factors. How real is this, is it not? Ufl is similar where there's not a ton of data. So you're like you know, how real is this? Where WNBA, it's more regimented. It's more similar to my kind of college football process where I have a good idea of what each team is and it's more of a straight modeling problem as opposed to kind of more of a hackish job or more manual for the UFL. 

42:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I just manually looked up the UFL, because I don't bet the UFL or follow it. So there's eight teams in the UFL, that's right. There's nine in the CFL. I'm just curious how do you decide when you're going to move into a? 

42:48 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
certain league or a market. What made you choose UFL and WNBA? Yeah, so, for WNBA, at first I was betting some very early when I first started NBA sides and totals so I was just an easy process to switch that over to WNBA and then NBA. There's so many props daily and I'm working with some people I have someone now that I originally the props and then I send it out to them and then they trade it, so that's been super helpful. But there's just there's only so much time in the day to do that and to try to do NBA size and totals. It's really not possible for me at this point in time. So W, it's smaller league, so I'm able to handle that. 

43:29
For UFL, it was because the XFL started and I was like here's a league with absolutely no data, there's no historical stuff. I can basically go in from the ground level and, whatever happens, I know that I'm at equal footing with anybody who's. If you're just picking up betting ufl and I started I you know we're at least on the same page of what we've seen so far. So I have thought about betting cfl. Um, part of it is, honestly, it's just in the summer and I would in prepping for college football and need at least some time to take a relaxing break. But I have thought about CFL. But I was kind of deciding between that and UFL and I thought there's already CFL bettors, there's people who have winning CFL models. No one has a winning UFL model, so I can at least come in kind of and they don't have an advantage over me. 

44:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah and listen, listen. I mean as someone who did bet cfl seriously for a bit and doesn't anymore now. It just became very oversaturated. I found, uh, with a lot of people like you know, you have four games a week. Uh, you, potentially, when there's buys, you have three games a week. You have days where, like, pinnacle does not open the game until game day and everyone's waiting for it to happen and there'll be literally like a $300 limit on it and people are pounding it. It just became. You know, you got Fez releasing the South Point openers on CFL at 3 am. Like it got to a point where it's just ridiculous. So I don't blame you. I wish there was more of a market for a lot of these. I'm surprised that, with this era of betting nowadays, that we don't see more of a market for some of these smaller sports. 

45:12 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, as popular as football is, it draws a rating, no matter. Basically, if you look at a random Sun Belt game on Tuesday on ESPN, you look at the rating, it's like, oh, this is performing as good as Duke, north Carolina in college basketball. It's insane how much they do. I'm surprised that they haven't tried to kind of pump up CFL more and just it's I mean, it's summertime content, but I obviously those guys are pretty smart. They probably have a reason. 

45:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They're not just turning away money, money. But you're right, I'm surprised that there's not. People just want to bet on football. 

45:44 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I I think that you know, perhaps, as people just get more and more forward and as gambling problem uh problem, gaming becomes more of a issue, there will be people who are like, oh, whatever, it's tuesday on or thursday and august, I'm gonna go ahead and try to risk it in CFL and maybe get bigger limits. 

46:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I mean, listen, you got people betting on influencer boxing fights nowadays during the day. Can't tell me they wouldn't want to bet on more football. I do want to get your take on that here shortly as well, as we can transition more into the industry. Nowadays, there's lots of betting tools out there. There's lots of betting tools out there. There's lots of services that have exploded in popularity recently. Obviously, odds Jam was a big one and with the amount that they sold for, but you get all sorts of services nowadays. We have, you know, betstamp on our side Unabated. There's tons of stuff. Do you think that they're actually these services are actually making bettors sharper in the long run? Do you think that they're actually these services are actually making betters sharper in the long run? Or do you think that there's kind of like this false sense of security with a lot of the tools that are out there these days? 

46:52 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
It is a little bit harder for me because I've never been to top down better. I feel like a lot of even originators in the space. They're like hey, I started off as a rec better, then I started arving and then after arving I figured out one side was sharper than the other and I took that side consistently and kind of worked my way there. I've really never had a period where well, I mean never really was I looking at an odd screen before working as a trader. So there's kind of an aspect of it where I am a little in the dark. But I will say it feels like if you're all these guys who are doing top down betting, it just becomes more and more tools and they become table stakes and it's kind of like analytics was in baseball to start off, where if you were doing it you had this big edge. You know the A's had this edge because they understand that on-base percentage is important. Nobody else understands it. And now, like you know, you have to have huge analytics base just to keep up with everyone. 

47:50
So for a lot of it would be really frustrating, for if you're a top-down guy, to keep up with everyone you just have to sub to all these different things and there's so many kind of different processes. It's nice originating. At least you know that you're kind of doing your stuff kind of solo and going into the market as opposed to all these guys having to read it just gives me stress. Thinking about it being like, oh you know how do I keep up with this? And then there's this head fake and things like that to get it would be really frustrating and then figure out that someone's got a better tool than you and they're using it. I think there's probably some level of FOMO where they think if I miss one bad bet is it worth a subscription here. 

48:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, what about the side of things like tools that help people originate? Like a random example, like you can upload your power ratings for every NFL team and we'll, you know we'll output? Uh, you know, we'll sim the entire season, or uh, we'll sim this week, um things of that nature? Do you think that those provide a false sense of security? 

48:56 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
yeah, probably, I think eventually there are. For example, you can upload your projections into Unabated, I know, for their props, and they'll do the distributions for you. I think there probably is value in that for specific people. I think, though, you probably put a little bit of a ceiling on yourself if you can't at least begin to project it yourself. Project it yourself. You know basically every single model that I've ever created and there's people with far more sophisticated than me, but everything that I've ever created sucked so bad when it started and it was so basic and it was just me guessing on certain things and then slowly build this and slowly build another piece. 

49:39
I think that a lot of these, if you're uploading it into somewhere, you're kind of taking a shortcut to not, as you know, fruitful grounds in the end, as if you're trying to do it yourself, and maybe you aren't profitable at first, but you're kind of reiterating on your process, but at the same time, you know, I do think that there is something to just learning how to win as a better. So if that's able to get you to do that, maybe you can go ahead and do it and upload it on a beta, and then, eventually, you start to learn your own distributions and stuff like that. So there probably is also this. If you used it correctly, I'm sure that there probably is super beneficial. Use full cases for it, but I bet you a lot of people are, um, you know, trying to use it in place of something else yeah, I would tend to agree with that as well. 

50:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
also, it just I think, um and this is not speaking directly to unabated like there's there's lots of tools out there that allow you to input rankings and all sorts of that. But a lot of the tools are very useful if the rankings or power ratings are also good, but in the sense where they're not, you're just getting edges on ratings that are not good. And the only reason I brought it up with you is, I mean, I see it happen pretty regularly with friends around me. It's like well, you know, I'm going to bet this team. And it's like why did you bet futures on this college football team this season? It's like, well, I inputted my ratings and they simmed the schedule for me. I'm like, yeah, but like it's reliant on your ratings, right? 

51:14 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, you have to have. You have to be doing something in your own process that's better than everyone else in order for it to have value. Own process that's better than everyone else in order for it to have value. So these tools that are around there, if you're not putting in your own separate kind of I mean, maybe you can aggregate enough information and put it in it can be decent to beat soft markets, I guess. But really, if you want to have edge, you are the one who has to create the edge. There isn't just things sitting around. Sometimes they're useful as kind of a bridge gap, I think. Um, you know, if you are learning break-even percentages, it's nice to have a break-even calculator until eventually you just learn to create your own, or eventually you start to know, okay, minus 110 is 52.4 percent or whatever. Um, so a lot of them, I think they're bridge gaps and they can help you while you learn to win. But you know again, if you're not creating the edge yourself, it's really hard to just find tools that are going to have it. 

52:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There is always debate online in the gambling Twitter community on whether or not people should share their edges publicly. This tends to happen a couple of times a year. Usually someone shares something sharp community goes in on them and says, well, why would you do this? You'd be better off just betting it yourself or finding a mover or whatever. Do you think it ever makes sense for a better to publicly share their edges? 

52:38 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I think in theory it makes sense that you should never share anything and as soon as you say anything it's lowering your theoretical possibility of earning in the future. But to me that just seems like it kind of ignores reality of the fact that people kind of want to talk to one another about things that they're doing, things that they're doing and you generate. So I mean, if you and I are talking about a sport and say we're betting both betting NFL and I increase your edge on something by 3% and you increase mine by 2%. There's so many other participants in the pool that we both benefit from that. And really the only way that you can gain more information from others is if you share it yourself and nobody you know nobody in real life goes up and says I have some information, would you like to talk about this information and potentially help one another? Like you have to kind of just go out and say here's what I think and then eventually other people will comment back and you'll get some feedback links through there. Comment back and you'll get some feedback leads through there. 

53:41
And if you're doing anything super specific, I understand you know I would never if I had something where I was like hey, nobody, you know, in this type of hypothetical universe nobody's figured out that there's altitude in Denver and I have this edge in this one specific spot and I know that there's more home court there. There, I understand you don't want to say anything, but when it's kind of more general basis, if you're not kind of bouncing ideas out there, you just don't get any feedback back. And I think that a lot of times people look at it as this you're either giving information or you're taking it, when really the people who get the most information back are those who at least project some stuff out into the kind of thought process yeah, I, I think a lot of sharps really oversimplify, like the ability for a random person who might have an edge on something to go out and and find movers and be able to get down on whatever they want to get down on. 

54:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Or people like you could have an edge not even realize you have one for one. But also, you know, I lived through the experience of if I had never posted baseball numbers publicly to Twitter, I'm nowhere today. Like I just happened to be posting numbers to Twitter and eventually someone was betting them and you know, someone reached out to me and eventually someone was betting them. And you know, someone reached out to me and said hey, you post your numbers every day. As soon as you post, someone's hitting the screen with your information, you should get something out of it. I had no clue what they were even talking about and I think the the, the sharp bettors, pro bettors they often really over. They get mad and I understand getting mad at like an influencer who just wants the clout more than anything. But I still understand why the influencer would rather grow their following rather than, you know, make a couple of dimes on betting some sort of edge. 

55:37 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Well and especially, just okay, you have those connections, that doesn't mean, everybody has those connections. 

55:42
So you're like, well, if they knew the right people, then they could get down, you know, whatever X amount on this and this cost them this much money. Well, they don't have those connections right now and, honestly, the best way to make connections a lot of times is just to post ideas that you have out there about specific situations and things like that. I, you know Kirkans, has been on this show. I reached out to him. We've uh found out some things, basically because he tweeted out that you know, I think that this uh, uh, sabrina, I asked you for steph curry I think that this is price wrong, whatever and just he put it out there and then I messaged him back asking something about it and things like that. 

56:23
I think a lot of times people forget that if you don't know anyone in the industry like it's easy to say when you are connected with all these people that you could privately message and do all these things. If you're just starting off, you don't know who to message, who to talk to, anything like that. So if you put something out there, even if you get yelled at a little bit, honestly a lot of times what happens is like, uh, with that dk dfs guy posted about mckay bridges yeah and I'm guessing he probably thought I can bet as much as I can in this situation. 

56:53
So I'm going to go ahead and put it on twitter and now I I follow him. I think he's pretty smart. I would guess that he's created lots of opportunities from him. You know, maybe didn't create as much as that bridges situation, whatever, I don't know, but you didn't have a way to get down. So now he says something smart. People start to listen to him. Oh, this is someone who kind of is looking for the right things, is, uh, you know, generally pretty with it. So I think that if you're first starting, it's actually pretty beneficial. If you don't have a way to, after you get done as much as you can, to share it out there, I think it actually probably makes a lot of sense. 

57:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I don't want to be a hypocrite. I've been upset at people posting edges before, especially if someone posts something in a sport that I bet on, which I already know about, that's going to trigger me. I think that's only natural. There, that's going to trigger me. I think that's only natural. There's also another part of me that thinks to myself. I wish this guy would have just reached out to me and I could have facilitated something for them where everybody earns off it. Those go through my head, but I think most pros really struggle to see the other side of the equation and understand yeah, those connections aren't there and this person wasn't out to get you by posting their edge or anything like that. Right? 

58:07 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
yeah, yeah, I mean, it's one of those situations everybody who bets before me, I'm like oh my god, are you betting this early? What are you doing? And everybody after me. 

58:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm like oh those are the breaks of the game sorry buddy, I had to get in there but it's like uh, the guy who bets on Sunday it's an offline. 

58:23 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I'm like you can't wait till goddamn the day I bet, Like that's actually the perfect time to bet Anybody who bets before that. They're just going too early. Anybody after, not my problem, yeah. 

58:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The pick selling space is highly controversial nowadays. I think that's been brought to the forefront now with the emergence of companies like Dub Club and WAP, and Winnable. In your opinion, what's the line between, let's say, offering value and misleading people? Or do you view the public sentiment and I shouldn't say the public, the sentiment shared by a lot of the Sharps, as, like all, touts are bad as just the moral thing to preach to the community? 

59:11 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I think in theory it actually could make a lot of sense to have someone who's like, hey, it's way easier, rather than trying to get down at all these places, if you could theoretically send it out to a bunch of people who are probably losing bettors in other ways, so they have accounts to go and this is a way for them to make slightly more as they're betting. If you can make sense in a lot of ways, I think the problem is anybody who is going to buy picks, almost by definition, doesn't have a good understanding of what they're buying, because if you were able to truly understand what was going in through a lot of it, you wouldn't buy the picks. So like there is a situation where it's really tough in that regard. And then again, especially now, with places that are so quick to limit and it's not like before where it was a true marketplace. Really, with a lot of these bets it's not. You're not betting into a market anymore, you're betting in. It's more you versus the book than it used to be, you versus everyone else, at least in specific markets. Obviously, once you get to the real top level, it's more of a true marketplace. 

01:00:22
But if you're talking any kind of props. Even if you're talking early, early, small limit stuff like that, a lot of it is you versus the bookmaker. So it does make sense that you would buy picks in that regard. Um, the problem is it's just not only is it people that don't know what they're buying. I think it's really hard, just in general, to create a record that is fully transparent, fully honest. So the other day I a lot of times what I'll do is I'll run the prop, my prop set at night, and then in the morning I'll go in, I'll recheck what's moved out of place et cetera, and then you know, throughout the day I traded and I ran it. I took the day off, I didn't end up betting it really much at all and I was going to put these plays into my own record keeping. 

01:01:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I was like well, I didn't. 

01:01:14 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I had a bad day. It was, you know, maybe I was two and eight. I was like, well, you know, I didn't really bet these, like, should these count? Now, I'm not getting any more dollars either way. 

01:01:23
Either way, whether I put those in or not, but it's there's always going to be kind of edge cases and it's so always going to be tempting to kind of cheat on those edge cases, even if you're doing it like to yourself. If you're a competitive person, you want your record and like you can talk yourself into. Actually this is what's fair and I think a lot of times, even if you have good intentions, what you end up doing is kind of making every little fringe case. You end up being more generous to yourself than you probably should be, and I think it's just human nature and it's hard to kind of dispel. So I do think that there probably are value in picks that you can buy. I think being able to keep up with which ones you should is going to be so hard that it's basically you know in theory could exist, but in practice it's really hard to do. 

01:02:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that was really well said because, as you were saying it, it could exist but in practice it's really hard to do. Yeah, that was really well said because, as you were saying it, I could even think of myself doing that and I'm not a tout, but I bet on sports for my livelihood. But I also have a content business and I will put out pics one week. That will be bad on the shows, but I will always be well. I did hit an SGP on a live watch along that paid 60 to one. Where's that? Why aren't you talking about that? You can always find a way to rationalize, even when you're trying not to. Part of it is just being competitive in nature. 

01:02:45 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
But yeah, it's really challenging for the average person to not try, even unconscious, unconsciously, to make themselves look better yeah, I think, even to yourself, it's really hard not to do like whenever you're thinking of a situation, well, that situation really doesn't count if you think about it. Or you know, if you say you're betting a one-off, say I bet the super bowl and I don't usually bet any NFL, it's like oh well, I did bet in the Super Bowl. I'm not really betting NFL that you know whether how much? 

01:03:17
you want to factor that in, or if you have a good day, it's much easier to be like oh well, obviously it's all money in the bank. The same way, I think it's. There's always going to be some kind of line where you group things in a specific way and it's really hard to be honest with yourself, even again, if it's just, you know, trying to be competitive. Uh, you know you, you just always want to think that you're better than you are, and myself included, I always have like striving to be like oh, actually, this is why this doesn't apply. 

01:03:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Twitter spaces have become a big part of gambling culture right now, but a lot of people have pointed out the changes over the last couple months, where they started, as you know, kind of exposing scammers and grifters in the space to, nowadays, maybe putting them on a pedestal, more of the spaces being beef-driven arguments with one another. In your point of view, has the trends space been good or bad for the betting community? 

01:04:24 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I can say I'm not in them honestly, as much as I like to consume what happened in them afterwards, I've found a lot of times when I go into them it's actually let's listen to the mentally ill guy ramble for a few hours here as we kill time in order to do different things. And when you're actually in them they're a lot more boring than what you think. But I do like catching up reading up on them after. It's interesting. I don't know if I necessarily buy that. It was, you know once. 

01:04:53
It's really pure place that everybody it feels like, uh, when mad men started and they like went back to the 1950s, everybody looks this wholesome and it's like actually everybody was always a degenerate all the time, right, so like actually elf spaces were always garbage do? I feel elf himself is really like I. I mean he's really embracing the lifestyle. He likes to live it up, sure, and I mean. But I think it's been pretty clear from the beginning that the goal was views and to do that at all costs. And you know it is what it is. You just got to take it at face value. You shouldn't kind of put this moral value onto something that's never had it in the first place. 

01:05:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, fair enough. I used to participate them in the early. I would say definitely the vibe of them has shifted, but to your point, it might not have been like, yeah, that's like this moral high ground. It was always like let's bring on the scammer. That was kind of the thing. That was always a thing. 

01:05:50
But in the early going I think it was, um, much more geared towards potentially exposing that person, where an elf would still take the side of of the scammer to just keep it going, whereas nowadays, um, I, I think it's this is my own opinion lots of people enjoy it. They've grown a lot, but it kind of feels like it's jumped the shark a little too far in the opposite direction. I, I envy you for not participating, but being able to catch up after the fact. That's the life I would like to live. Unfortunately, I am a bit addicted to the drama uh, fully willing to admit it and if everyone was just like you, mike, the spaces wouldn't exist. If we're all catching up after the fact, there, there would be nothing going on in real time, and there needs to be something going on in real time. 

01:06:37 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I will say I think you're right in the fact, at first it was, you know, more of an arbitrator of what's going on here. What's happening Now, you have you know, with Sean Perry in a hotel room and they're being friends. Now you have you know, with Sean Perry in a hotel room and they're being friends. And then he's going with Amanda Vance to hockey games and they're tweeting out every single thing of it and I don't know, especially like you know with Sean Perry. 

01:07:01
he's like oh, spanky's been this mentor towards me and Sean Perry's, like you know, yelling horrible things at him. I thought if that guy's been a mentor to you and you're just like, oh well, you know, whatever Sp, if you, that guy's been a mentor to you and you're just like, oh well, you know, whatever spanky doesn't bother. So maybe I'm, you know, a fool for caring about something he doesn't seem to care about, but I just I don't know I think you're right in the fact that it does seem like he's more part of the content now as opposed to bringing on the clown show. 

01:07:25
It's like he's part of the clown show, but yeah, I, I don't know. The one time I logged in to Spaces it was probably maybe two days apart, and both of them they were talking about. Like you know, if you don't get things together, you might go down and kill yourself. I was like things are getting a little dark and grim here. I can't remember the exact two people. I think it was that Meesee guy or one of them. 

01:07:50
I don't know. But I was like you know, once we reached the last two times I've logged in, it's been two kind of end-your-life conversations. I thought I don't know, I don't know, it's a lot. It seems a lot more interesting on the cliff. And then you go in and it's just you're getting the highlights compared to when you're actually in there. It's a lot more killing time. 

01:08:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
At least maybe I'm just entering in at the wrong time. No, no, it is that. In my opinion too, it's extremely hit or miss. Like people think I spend all night in these spaces. I don't, I really don't, especially when my wife is around. I mean, that's not even a possibility for me. 

01:08:25 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Really she doesn't like the fact that you're listening into a spaces about Twitter gambling. I can't imagine your wife wouldn't be glued in to every second of it. 

01:08:34 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You know what she? She says she's not interested, but she provides her commentary whenever they're on in the background. She's always providing some sort of commentary Like obviously this guy is lying, obviously, like this guy is overcompensating for something. So you know, we can pretend that she doesn't like them, but she does is overcompensating for something. So you know, we can pretend that she doesn't like him, but she does. 

01:08:59
I just for me, when I think back on the whole thing, all the characters that used to get quote-unquote roasted in the beginning, you know, when the spaces first took off, there was a lot of people who were the villains, and those villains are, like now, the good guys, and that, to me, kind of shows that it's trended way too. When, like people who are literally selling packages and fleecing customers that know that they're losing bettors, or are now like the good people, the moral authorities in the space, that's how I know it's gone too far. So I don't have a lot of interest in being around that and I don't participate unless, like, I get a message on Telegram that's like, well, like you got to go in, now it's, it's getting. I'm not devoting the whole nights to that anymore. 

01:09:47 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I think it's a lot more interesting when there's someone. You know. I understand why they don't want it to be just a bunch of sharks coming in and bullying some idiot who doesn't know what's going on, but it is nice when there's at least one person there to kind of just because it would be like if I was debating something I knew nothing about, if I was debating, uh, you know, some kind of medical piece of information with doctors, I'd look like a complete idiot. So when they come in there and it's the person who's selling things and they just don't know the basics of like whatever they're talking about, um, it really is that. It was funny in that regard. I I tuned into, I was uh listening when it was the you know if I bet 100k and having games at your age, I put a ball into my head that I gotta say I was like, okay, now I kind of get the highlights of it. 

01:10:34
It does reach good levels of content. I think the sustainability of it is and I don't know how much longer they can keep pushing. It feels like it's WWE, where first they're fighting on thumbtacks then they have Hell in a Cell and then all of a sudden Undertaker's being buried alive. It feels like we're kind of at the buried alive stage of it. 

01:10:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Oh, it's way more extreme than that. Like at the first, at the start it was like Stone Cold versus McMahon. You know it was like those years it was like peak. Now we're at. Like you know Hornswoggle is Vince McMahon's son. 

01:11:09
You know type of content the worst possible storyline ever. You know that's where it's gone to at this point. But listen, lots of people enjoy it. I still occasionally do and I will keep up with it because it's kind of my job at this point as well. But to your point, like you know, you can't just do and I learned this with Circles Off right With this brand. 

01:11:31
You can do, in my opinion, good, sharp betting content. Like I stand by some of the best interviews we've had on this channel. Obviously we've done some stuff that didn't work out, but I think we had some like really, really strong educational content on here where it reaches like 10,000 people, you know, viewership, another maybe 20, 30,000 listenership, but that's it. Like that's, that's the max. There's just not that much of an appetite for this stuff. You know, I don't. I don't even this will sound conceited and maybe it is, but like I do, I go on a couple of times a week on our hockey brand edge work. 

01:12:19
I'm not the best hockey better in the world at this point. Maybe I never was, but I was. I was up there, like for years, my models numbers were the closing numbers, like that. That's, the people that were moving for me had so much confidence in those numbers that they would bet them to those numbers and we can draw like 500 views on a day where I'm on. And there's like another hockey live stream where I I listen to the guy talk. That's doing like 10k views daily. It's not the game is is changed. It's about who can market themselves the best. It has nothing to do necessarily with the sharpness and and people just don't want it and and you got to come to realize that at some point. So for me, as much as I don't love the direction that they're going, if your goal is to appeal to the masses, this seems to be working relative to what you know. Letting man of the vig grill someone for half an hour on a space, that just doesn't seem to be working. 

01:13:21 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, I do wonder if there is there's at least a little bit more. There's casual viewers and then there's people who are actually locked in and listening. I guarantee you, you know, I'm sure you guys actually have metrics that look at it. But you know there's more buy-in from people who are seriously considering the information than probably a lot of this kind of background noise, you know, crazy, whatever Like. If whatever new spaces pop up, they're much more likely to tune in because they're just chasing the next high, as opposed to someone who, once you start to listen to someone for a while, you know you start to get in the habit of listening to them and everything like that. And I think that in some areas it's it's really easy to criticize whatever content is playing, and I know that I can probably look at myself for that a lot of times. It's like, oh, but you're doing nothing, like at least they're trying to put some kind of good into the like you know, even if it's not the absolute sharpest or they got one thing wrong. 

01:14:18
It's still probably net positive, but these are absolutely zero net positive. There's pretty much nothing that is being uh gained or insightful. It also cracks me up that they're like all right, you know spanky, you come on here multi-millionaire, you know one of the most successful bettors ever, and then we're going to give equal time to mandel library. You think sports are scripted? Go ahead like what's your? Counter it's. You know, I like how absurd that sounds and like when you actually lay it out it's insane. 

01:14:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But it really is. Uh, we're going to do some rapid fire here in a second before we do quick plug, because it's very topical right now. Tomorrow morning, Friday, 8 am Eastern time, we're debuting our brand new second circle back of the week with a new cast of characters. Jacob will be hosting Joey Kanish, Chris Dierkus, Flop no Lied and Jeff Nadeau. You do not want to miss that. We're doing two a week going forwards because you know what we got to capitalize on the entertainment trend. That's what we do when we're in the content space. But an interesting cast of characters honestly might even be better than the Tuesday show. So you're going to want to check that out. Mike. Rapid fire I like doing this kind of stuff with guests. A lot of these are just. They came through Q and A's when I had condition studio, so I might as well fire some stuff at you as well. 

01:15:36 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Uh, worst bad beat of your life. I don't know if it's the worst one, but I will say the the super bowl this season. Uh, it was two back to back. I had under uh two and a half people throwing the pass and I looked into it and I was like, well, you know the Eagles, I don't bet NFL, so I'm kind of hopping in a Super Bowl. I try to do the props that are not being priced every week. 

01:16:01
Because obviously those are getting more bet into place by people who know what they're doing. You know, if it's kind of more random, more kicking stuff, that stuff that you can hop in once a year and there's not as much state on it. So I did the under two and a half passes I was really proud of, like looking into it. I'm like you know, with the eagles defensive line. They're just not going to have time to run any kind of slow developing play. And then you have chris jones and you know looked into all the different types of passes. For some reason I just didn't even think of the like prospect of a backup qb coming in and throwing the pass. And I was like when Nick Foles comes in, I was like he's not going to throw a pass. If you have the backup in, he's at least going to just hand the ball off. So that one was tough, especially because it came after. 

01:16:42
I was really big on longest field goal under. I had it at 49, 48, 47 and a half. Everybody knew Jake Elliott hadn't made long kicks all year, but also Harrison Bucker when he every came back from the hamstring. He only had one attempt to 50 plus yards. Uh, and it was at mile high at the end of the half. So I felt really good about that one. And on that third down the Eagles got I don't know it was like six yards and moved it within. It was to make it a 44-yarder. I even said out loud to myself, oh, at least it's within thin. And then that foul start kind of backed it up to make it good at every single number. I was like, ah, that was a killer. 

01:17:24
So I mean I've had worse beats, but like having those back-to-back in the same game really for this season stung, because it's also the Super Bowl only comes every so often, so you really like there's extra pressure to have it be a profitable day. And that like took me from. I mean I had so much on the field, the ones like one of the bigger positions I've had, so that was rough yeah, you mentioned Nick Foles. 

01:17:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
it was Kenny Pickett that was, but we we always get our backup quarterbacks and Carson Wentz on the other side, who was warming up as well at one point in the game. 

01:17:50 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Anyways, yeah, too many former Eagles backs up there. 

01:17:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Exactly Okay on the other side of things, the best win you've ever had. 

01:18:01 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
When I was kind of, you know, first starting off I've been betting, but when your bankroll is still growing, it has the chance to grow kind of more exponentially, which is exciting, to grow kind of more exponentially, which is exciting. Caesars had just a flip line of the Heat, were up 2-1 against the Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals and they had the Heat with a worse chance to win the Eastern Conference finals. 

01:18:25
It was obviously a wrong line which I went back to my house got some cash out bet as much as I could on it, and you know, if you just won that it would be great. 

01:18:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They end up winning. 

01:18:38 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
It was plus 900, I think, but what ended up happening was I waited to. 

01:18:45
I was going to hedge it out and I was like, ah, I'm going to wait through the first game. I didn't think the first game line was totally right, you know. Probably not, it definitely was not at that time. It would have been better to actually know. But I waited for the first two games. Miami wins the first two. I end up betting actually for the series to go seven. When I do it at Westgate they adjust only the Boston side of it, so I bet Miami in seven. So then Boston goes down three. Oh, I bet Austin all three games going into game seven. And I ended up like I mean I think I ended up being like almost double my bankroll on this single bet that I ended up getting Miami to win the Eastern Conference, miami to win in seven game to go go. 

01:19:32
Seven games won, three Boston bets. It was just like an all-time series of euphoria. 

01:19:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Amazing, Great story. Love to hear stuff like that. Me and Kanish were asked the most obscure market we've ever bet on. I'm betting Japanese stock exchanges. I know you bet some UFL, but there's got to be more obscure than that. 

01:19:54 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
This year the Pro Bowl market. I bet the Pro Bowl total A book that I have as an offshore, some of these books. They allow unlimited parlays, basically to some extent. So the Pro Bowl scoring changed last year prior to the thing they put in these. Like they have these mini games that are worth six points apiece and they had it by quarters and they switched it to doing it by halves, I think. So they changed it last year and the total went way up. So they kind of did an average for the Pro Bowl total of like the past three years or however, since it's been touched when it really should have been higher than that. 

01:20:41
And then they added two more like mini games, which should have raised the total by an additional 12 points. 

01:20:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I'm looking at this. 

01:20:50 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I'm like, ok, it's price wrong, sweet, they didn't realize the rule change and I go to hit like bed max and the limits of this. I mean this account was like relatively new but it's not $9,000 limits, so I was expecting just to be like these little couple hundred dollar things. I'm like, look, and I'm like they're taking the same limits as they would on, uh, you know, a full game like normal nfl game, total. 

01:21:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I look, I'm like okay, I thought I was right before. 

01:21:20 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
But if I'm gonna be hammering this, I gotta really make sure yeah, the pro bowl. They don't release an official rule book for the pro bowl. So I'm like looking at random like press releases at the NFL and trying to like triple check every single thing to make sure that this total, like that the rules are what I think they are, because it's not like anybody actually gives a shit about the Pro Bowl rules. So I'm like really trying to double check and everything is just a press release. I can't tell if it's right, but finally I like really like lock in to three different sources make sure that the rules are what I think and had, you know, a sizable position on pro bowl over this game. And let me tell you, you want to talk about a sweat when nobody gives a shit about the game that's occurring and I'm like yelling, I got to get out of the homes. 

01:22:11
They're just like casually jogging around screaming for Team Eli. So yeah, that was this year, so it did go over, thank God. Bet online, I think opened the line. It was like 12 points below what it should be, so I just kept hitting it continuously, as they would have justified 10 cents each time I was like I can't believe I have pro bowl older. So, yeah, that would be the one I love that story. 

01:22:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I've actually had some real sweats over the years on, uh, on all-star games across different leagues as well. Always, yeah, they don't play like a regular game. So stuff that applies, that you just know is going to happen in a regular game. Guy's going to go out of bounds to stop the clock, this and that, yeah, just doesn't apply. You know NHL All-Star games, you can cap them all you want, but when one guy shows up, that doesn't give a shit and he's just out for a leisurely skate, you know you're yelling at the TV for sure. 

01:23:07 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
But those are where the real like you know, everybody knows when you're trying to price something that, like everybody has a good idea of what the question actually is, the edge can only be so big. But if you know that actually we're playing a totally different ballgame here, I remember for the NBA All-Star game, anthony Edwards said he's like, oh, I'm going to shoot left-handed. So when that came out, you have to just go try to find every honor you can. It's like you know, whatever the price is, you just gotta he's playing left hand, you gotta try to find a way. 

01:23:37
So like those are really like the dumb of the bet, in a way, the bigger the edge can be. So that's where, if you're able to find a way where you can actually get up, get down on it those are like where they don't give a shit what's happening on the field and you're like I actually care so much more than anyone involved in this game. 

01:23:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Right If you could grab dinner with three people. We're limiting it to three from gambling Twitter who's at the table with you, mike? 

01:24:10 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
So first one I have two choices here. I think we do C-Blaz, grp and Zilbert. I think we finally solved this war in the Middle East thing. We put these three minds together. Maybe, while we're there, knock out racism real quick. 

01:24:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think that we put those three GRP with you is going to knock. You said racism, not sexism, nevermind. 

01:24:32 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
You can go, go there's limits to what we can do. Even those minds, there's limits. I'll have JRP teach me his napkin under the plate trick to keep the syrup on one. 

01:24:42 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Actually I gotta say it's a good idea. 

01:24:46 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
It's like everybody's joking with him. That's actually a very pretty thoughtful thing. 

01:24:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm not going to lie to you. I've since been out for breakfast one time and I had French toast on the side and I did the napkin trick. It's good. I was concerned I'd have issues like cutting on the other side of the plate. You don't. It actually is totally fine. So GRP affecting lives out there for the better. 

01:25:12 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
No, but actually I would say one, rufus. I think Rufus is probably obviously much, much better, better than I am, but I think he kind of sees things similarly in the fact that it always seems like he's trying to pick out what the question is. I guess, rather than what's the best way to solve this, it's should we actually be asking a different question entirely. So I think kind of just asking him a few things kind of about how he approaches it would be interesting, spanky, because he's the exact opposite of what I am. You know, I would really any kind of top-down better, I think would be interesting. 

01:25:52
Just because I don't, because I'm trying to always, you know, bet earlier with props, you're not really following the market that much With college football. If I was betting larger, I would probably, you know, be more in tune with where the market is moving and things like that, because you're waiting until later. So anybody who kind of understands how the markets work, I think that that would be really interesting, just to kind of, you know, gauge their opinion on how different things work like that, because it's an area that I don't think I'm very good at. And then, third, I kind of cheated Bill Connolly is a college football advanced stats guy. I think he's probably the most underrated of the advanced. You know, if you're talking like Bill James, dean Oliver, you know kind of the advanced stats people that kind of brought to the forefront he did for college football I think he and he's like still ready now. 

01:26:41
Obviously he's not that old of a guy, he's just college football was so far behind. I just think he's kind of got a really interesting perspective. 

01:26:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I love Bill Connolly. I saw him in Boston a few weeks back. We chatted for a little bit. I spent a Super Bowl with him in Costa Rica where we were at a bet online party. It was the worst Super Bowl ever. It was the Rams Patriots year, but we had a blast. Big fan of Bill Connolly, yeah. 

01:27:09 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, anybody who's learning or trying to get more into college football betting or college football analytics his like he got it's like a study hall series he wrote for SB Nation. I think it's kind of like the. That's the place you start with and then you can go from there. 

01:27:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah before we wrap. I know there's a charity you wanted to highlight. There was one thing you asked me for this interview, so I'll give you the floor and you let people know however they can help. 

01:27:36 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Yeah, so April is autism awareness month. You know, if you work in sports betting, you probably work with someone who's somewhere on the spectrum. But in all seriousness, my sister is autistic and there's an organization for autism research. I'll tweet out the link. You can also go to it just researchautismorg. And they have done some work in the community by where my parents live, helping out different places, and you know everything I've seen about them. They've done a a great job. So anything that you can do to support them, I think they help a lot of families who need it. 

01:28:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's not an easy situation to deal with a lot of times, so again, I'll tweet out something with a link or you can go to research autism that work we will put it in the link in the description below so anyone can check it out noble cause really appreciate you, you giving that out. And uh, definitely I can say and I don't mean this is a joke, but there are a lot of people in the sports betting space who are autistic. I deal with some of them on a daily basis. Um, some levels worse than others, obviously, uh, but uh, I'm all for donating to to great causes and we'll definitely put that in the link in the description below. Mike, before we wrap, it's that time plus EV, minus EV moves of the week. I'll give you the floor. It can be anything you want. 

01:29:04 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
It's on you Sure. So plus EV. 

01:29:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think that I was reading an article or I was listening to a podcast. 

01:29:12 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
Actually Don't take the time to actually read the article Listen to a podcast where they talk about the article where it's written by Ben Thompson. He's a technology writer and he talked about. Whenever he sees a technology business do something that's just completely dumb, that you never you'd be like, well, everybody's just as person for it, he thinks, okay, but why would a smart person do this? And I think that a lot of times with sports, we just a lot of times we have this idea of well, what a dumb decision. 

01:29:43
Like you know, it's not like those guys go in, and one, they're probably not complete idiots if they've gotten to this level that you're watching it or whatever. And two, it's not like they go in and they haven't thought about this decision before. It's something they thought about constantly and while you might not agree with them at the end of the decision, I think it goes even beyond. Like you know, there's a steel manning, a case where you kind of take your points and you take the counterpoints, I think, to actually put yourself in their shoes and think, okay, how could they come to a completely different conclusion than I would based on the same set of circumstances? And I think it can help you kind of cover up some blind spots where, one, you can view things in a different way and, two, you can think, okay, what do I not know here? Is there additional information that I'm not privy to that can kind of impact the decision at hand? 

01:30:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, that's unlike anything we've heard before. I'm all for new takes in this segment. Minus EV, you don't have to optimize everything. 

01:30:50 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
So, say, you just wanted to purchase a bottle of wine and you were thinking, what can I do? You could just go. 

01:30:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know where we're going. 

01:31:00 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I know in all seriousness. 

01:31:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think that a lot of betters if there's just a natural sense of and I fall into this habit this is the reason I came up with. 

01:31:09 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
it is every single decision. I'm like trying to get trained the most out of every resource in every situation and sometimes, like in the you know small little discrete moment, you are getting the most out of it. But the aggregate of trying to get the just most efficient outcome in every single decision you make can be kind of drained. So I had a real free experience a couple months ago I was like you know what. I'm just not going to give a shit about credit card points anymore. I'm just going to do whatever. 

01:31:40
I'm going to look at, I'll get one card that I think is relatively decent, but it's just not something I'm ever going to focus on again and whatever it's cost me, it's paid off tenfold as far her. It's just being mentally not having to worry about that and I think a lot of times. Another example kind of funny one is at the grocery store. 

01:31:59 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They have, you know, the pre-bought pineapple that you can buy where they cut it for you and they put it in there I used to. 

01:32:05 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I used to think who the hell would buy that? Just buy and cut the pineapple yourself. It costs so much more to do this and you know what I would do Never buy pineapple and never cut pineapple. So if you just try to seek out every single most optimized thing, it's just really a chore to go through. So obviously I have that tendency to try to do it. But just ease up on it a little bit and I think it will make things a little less stressful for you. 

01:32:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That brings back like a very random memory in life where I showed up at a pool party once and someone showed up after me and they just brought a full pineapple to the party and it just sat on the table and I was thinking like when I was in the, I'm like it would be really nice to have some pineapple right now, but who the hell is going to cut that? Why would they not just buy the pre-cored pineapple? Anyway, it's anyways very random moment in life. I haven't thought about that in a long time but you know that would be my minus ev move of the week. If you're going to show up to a like a pool party with fruit, you you gotta like if you bring a fruit platter, you know, with the stuff already cut up, don't show up with a full melon and just hand it to the host. 

01:33:14 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
It's not the way to do things In general, any kind of party. The most underrated aspect of any kind of food to bring there is ease of use. Nobody wants to sit down and have this big complicated thing. It's like what can I? Kind of just what can get me through the day. As I'm focused on other things, I'm not here to have a meal. So you're right, yeah. 

01:33:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Anything that I have to cut up. I'm just gonna pass on 100 minus ev. I've seen people show up around christmas time with like full walnuts, you know, like who the hell wants to crack the walnuts with the nutcracker just to get by the walnuts that are already out of the shell. I don't understand it. I don't get it. Don't do it. People do not show up and be one of those people that's going to make the host do work. It's a big mistake. What's not a mistake would be following Mike on Twitter at MrMR underscore peanut better Great follow in my opinion. That's just my opinion. Some people might say you're not a great follow. 

01:34:08 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I happen to be. I would say it's a fact. I would go far enough, enough, I would say it's actually there, we'll. We'll ask chat tp, we'll get on this. Uh, maybe I'll bring it up to see bles and grp at that table that we have, and we'll get them on it. 

01:34:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We'll have them figure it out I gotta say I I know you were joking about that table. I'm not a c bles guy. I think he's just like really boring and annoying, but I would. Yeah, he's better than clips. Yeah, he's better than small samples. 

01:34:34 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
He was, you know, he was the muse in my eye for a little bit. Uh, then it's really gone to silver now. I think silver is just peak levels of comedy. When he lighted the dart in his latest video I was like that. I mean, that really was the peak, I think, and I'll eventually get bored, I'm sure, and find someone else to you know to laugh with. 

01:34:54 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But I think that, uh, yeah I. 

01:34:57 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
I agree with you on c plus. He's a small sample guy you gotta. He really kind of came in hot and then he was like the yessio puig of game on twitter bingo, great, great comp. 

01:35:06 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He came in. He was firing. Nobody knew who the hell this guy was. He emerged on the scene, videos were funny for a little bit and then you're like there's just nothing more to this act. I'm done with it. I mean, you could say that about a lot of people, but their acts are like grp's act is, in my opinion he might be putting the bag on his head. 

01:35:24 - Mr. Peanutbettor (Guest)
He might be, you know he might be hitting on a random woman, that's half his age, he might be putting napkins under plates. He just got the one move. 

01:35:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Big fan of the GRP COVID mask, which was, yes, the Ziploc bag over. Don't recommend that people. But yeah, that was content at its peak. Make sure you follow Mike on Twitter. Make sure you sub here on Circles Off. We're trying to get to 20K subs and listen, I promise you, when we do get to 20k, I'm just going to petition for you to keep subbing so that we can get to 30k and more than that. But please, if you do watch the content regularly, hit that subscribe button. It's just a vanity metric but it means a lot for helping us monetize, so please hit that. If you enjoy the episode, make sure you like it. Hit that thumbs up button down below. And, of course, comments are always useful as well for the YouTube algorithm for us to grow our content. Circle Back is back tomorrow. We got a fresh new interview here on Circles Off next week. Peace out everyone. Hope you enjoyed the episode.