00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
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00:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's Circle Back, episode number seven, the show where we review the week that was on gambling Twitter. Lots of topics to go through this week. We really had to condense it. There are so many things we could have talked about. As always, hashtag Circle Back if you see something on Twitter that you want us to talk about on the show. I'm rob pazola, joined by jason cooper, back from a couple week hiatus. I notice you're wearing white socks with black boots and dark pants it is what it is. 

01:16 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I can't help but notice these things. Yeah, I you said you weren't going to call me out on it like the first, show them to the camera. Let's, let's see, let's see the first minute you call me out on it. All right, whatever, it's not that bad, it's not that bad. 

01:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's a big upgrade over last week If it was black pants, it'd be worse, but white gray pants. 

01:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's just like a little bit of a faux pas. 

01:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Comment. If it's a faux pas, that's it it is a faux pas. 

01:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, jacob Grummania producing today. We had a very, very eventful week and it started on Friday night with Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. A lot of people on Twitter had commentary on this fight going into it Joey Odessa, mike can't win there, I said it. Dave Portnoy loved Paul in the fight, Kirk Evans disagreeing with Joey Kanish, saying Jake Paul would have value at minus 1,000. We had all sorts of tweets like that. I want to ask you guys how you approach this fight, because a lot of people post fight, talking about it being another one of those generational opportunities Mayweather McGregor type of thing. Jeff, for you, did you get down big on Paul in the fight? 

02:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I did everything I could with my current situation to get as much as I possibly could we could. 

02:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What do you mean in your current situation? 

02:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
well, like a different time, like at different times, I'm more liquid, have more access got it but I could pull off like a mini, like I could renovate a room right now, okay, like I overexpose. 

02:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're not talking about my base like. This isn't a shot at my bitcoin. 

02:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I forgot I forgot about. 

02:48
I didn't, that was an unintentional stray soon that was an unintentional stray, uh, but yeah, no, I tweeted in the afternoon. I was overexposed like bigly had they lost or he lost, like it didn't seem possible like a lot of people maybe I wish I even put more made, like you know went to other other corners. Uh, I went grocery shopping to the extreme on saturday. Yeah, in the case that he lost, the whole family would have been in trouble. So I needed to make sure that there was like food for like a current period of time. 

03:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I preach responsible gaming. Man, you can't tell me this kind of stuff. 

03:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You have like three kids now do not cut this for shorts, because my wife doesn't watch the episodes this is a short, this no, no, I I I have some creative control here. Oh, my God man oh, there we go. She heard you right. 

03:46 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
The license Saved by the bell. This is going to be the promo when this comes out this is going to be. 

03:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
In case you missed it, this is an Easter egg for our real fans. Okay, no, I'm not. Yeah, like this is getting cut. 

03:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm using this yeah. 

04:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I I said I joined Jason on Thursday. I told him I'm going to irresponsibly go about this. My opinions were sort of like it makes no sense. 

04:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's not just 58. 

04:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's not just 58. It's a retired 58. It's a hiatus. It's not like a guy who's 58, but he's been training helping younger fighters for the last 30 years running a gym like getting in the ring training. This is a guy. That sort of stop start impossible. I. I like paul, whatever I'm smart like I took it strongly, yeah, but but you, you, you say it like it was irresponsible. 

04:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But if you actually felt that strongly about it. I agree what the line should have been yes. 

04:41 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So I know you preach what you preach, but I felt like a lot of people like this line should be. 

04:47
I'd say some of the others, but like I felt like at least minus a thousand yes we remembered mayweather, taking on potato cans and I, you know it like in college would risk, you know, like three grand to win 300. Yeah, you know, yep, um, and we do it. I mean all my buddies we do, we do it, we'd have fun doing it, and that felt like this time's infinity to a certain extent yeah, I, I fully feel the same way and I was in the same boat as you, jeff. 

05:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I actually messaged you on twitter because of what our conversation we had on the live watch long. I said I am overexposed on jake paul and I'm overexposed, obviously, responsibly. I made, I think, what I would call the biggest bet of my life in terms of my Risk yeah, in terms of risk, because I've crossed, I've bet large amounts in the past, but I think I was very square in the past, I think, when I actually became someone who actually wants to make money on betting this is the largest responsible bet I've ever made. But I was also it felt like I was a little overexposed just because of the the circumstances around the situation. I was very scared of the draw or like fuckery, especially after the serrano fight where we saw like it was a kind of a questionable decision. I'm like what are we about to get into here? 

05:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
yeah, I did a gulp, like we're in texas and things could be a bit weird. But just going back to it, my biggest risk bet before this of my life risk um was the mayweather mcgregor fight yeah 2017. 

06:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I is the biggest risk. And what was that line? 500 less it depends, because I honestly bet mayweather early and the odds kept drifting away from him towards mcgregor like by close. You could find him as one to two favorite in some spots. 

06:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Anyone who bet Mike Tyson has no mojo. 

06:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Should like no mojo. 

06:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Take a day off for worse, like that is a straight no mojo. And then it was really one of these things where you kept seeing the books and at some point the line would even drop a little. 

06:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is one of the rare instances and it's like it's moving. 

06:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm bending as much as I can and it's moving against me. 

06:53 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You're used to that, though I'm kidding, I'm kidding, okay, fine, you're right, I'm a little used to that. 

06:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But, not when I'm exposing myself. I don't want why. You're sorry and I guess you are right, because if you do feel a line should be a line and it's like 1, 8th of that line, then maybe that is the time in life that it is responsible. I am shocked. 

07:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Portnoy only put 100k on it, especially considering he put out a video saying this is going to be the easiest thing ever, which is really weird hindsight being 20-20, I wish I bet more. 

07:25 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm telling you, I don't know if you guys feel the same way. I'm all. 

07:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I think everyone's gonna feel that way yeah, but I I bet enough for I'm like it's okay like you can't beat yourself up that much and even rob. From the first time we spoke about it, I believe on on a watch along a week out. Uh, the decision like that seemed. 

07:44 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yes, I called my decision was the was the way to go. That that, in my opinion, was that was a generational bet. That bet was generation no, because paul could have put him down. He could have. 

07:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He could have, but you didn't like people like oh, like this, such a bad look for paul. He couldn't even. I mean, he wasn't really trying to carry him for four or five rounds at the end. 

08:05 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And then there was the respect factor. It's easy to say in hindsight maybe the decision, the knockout, but Paul is dedicated his life to fighting. Obviously we just see windows of the internet, but it clearly seems like he's dedicated his life to it and he's of the age where, come on. 

08:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, like I, I got into a big argument with johnny, my co-host, on circles off. I still argue him to this day about mayweather mcgregor and like what the true probability was in that fight. And listen, I'm not a boxing expert. I don't johnny actually boxes now I don't, I never have been. But my I feel very strongly that mayweather was 99 or upwards to win that fight. 

08:49 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You're you're, I just I'm. I'm on johnny's side with this I watched the fight with him, but yeah you watched this fight the mcgregor, fight with, oh the mcgregor. 

08:56 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I was at a wedding that night and, like in jeff's situation, I didn't tell my wife like we're not going to go home to groceries if we lose tonight. But I'm at a wedding and I'm getting texts for the first couple rounds like mcgregor looks great or whatever and now it's honestly annoying, like the downstairs freezer's overfilled like yeah, I wish I had more room. 

09:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I kind of overdid it. So, yeah, I guess there was a moment walking through the grocery store where I was scared shitless like what have I done today, which is almost why I feel like, um, I'm not mad that I didn't put decision more I get, I didn't um but still, oh, I'm mad that I didn't put more. 

09:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I I personally had no confidence in my ability to price this fight. I felt a certain way, but I'm not a boxing expert, I have no idea. We've shown a bunch of tweets from people who you know, like, listen, like this line should be crazy, for as many tweets that there were like this, there were some respected people I liked that were saying, like this is kind of a fair price. I think maybe even Tyson has a chance. I couldn't price it where I was confident enough, but within, like you know, first round okay, tyson looks, okay, he's thrown some shots. I think he connected on a couple shots. But then, once we got to the third round, I'm like this is done. Unfortunately, I was in New York. I was not at, like my usual betting setup where I couldn't even just start hammering live either. So I just kind of I mean I did not capitalize on this as much as I should have like in hindsight, this was his. His probability was upwards of 99, okay, but in the third round. 

10:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Here's the thing. In the third round I didn't think the decision was a lock okay fair starting in the third round, it's like paul could put him down at any freaking point so that's why I don't want to really tyson's legs were like and I had a lot on the decision also and in the third round. 

10:41
I'm like this is happening like two rounds earlier, like tyson was gassed after two in my head before I thought he could get through like half the fight before what started happening essentially at the start of the third round he had no legs, like he couldn't. He couldn't move. I guess reading some of these no, I don't. I went as hard as I could, you, you rest your children's college education on this fight and now they can go to college. 

11:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Anywhere in the world, anywhere they can, two times over. 

11:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Undergrad for a few years in medical school. 

11:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The shortest odds I got were minus 200. Yeah. But, there was only so much I could get on that that most of my plays were at like minus 250. Yeah, on that that, most of my plays were like minus 250. Yeah, minus 260. I also got in, but when it moved, when portnoy put out that video and I'm not saying portnoy's gonna move him, I'm not saying he's I don't want to like. This isn't not the compliment. 

11:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It sounds like it is, but like there's enough, I don't want to call him like raz, where he can like move a line in the instant. 

11:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, but I actually expect portnoy to be able to move a line, especially on the partner site for which he puts out that line, because at some point that site needs to be like I guess we're taking heavy, but they just were like no. 

11:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't know. This is different. People talk about public money moving NFL sides. It doesn't happen, right? We all know this. At this point, we're savvy enough to know how the NFL betting market works. These are one-of-a-kind events that are drawing an insane amount of action. 

12:13
Back in 2017, when Mayweather-McGregor happened, I was consulting for a sports book. Back in that day, in the offshore space, there was so much money I can't divulge the amount Na purposes, but there was an insane amount of money on that fight where, literally, traders were going up to the board of directors saying do you guys understand what's if, if mcgregor wins, this is how much we are going to lose? And the board would say, well, what do you guys think this price of the fight should be? And they would say, okay, well, we think like we would honestly price this as, like Mayweather, minus 5,000. And they're like, okay, just keep writing bets at plus 150 and plus two, just keep taking it. This is a generational opportunity for us as a sports book. 

12:59
And it was another situation. I don't know if it was like nostalgia as well. Part of me did not want to see like. I grew up watching Mike Tyson. I did not want to see him lose. Maybe in the back of my head that was part of it and I think for a lot of people just betting with their hearts on the fight honestly and honestly, that was one of my favorite Listen. 

13:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I didn't enjoy it at the time because I had a lot on Jake Paul to win and everyone I was watching with was on Mike Tyson and they all wanted Mike Tyson to win. But the rationale that they were coming to to justify Mike Tyson winning was, in hindsight, one of the funniest parts of my night and one of the most enjoyable parts of my night. 

13:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm on the side of this conversation where I did not get enough down. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out what it was that scared me off this because I was thinking, okay, I was like you, rob, I'm like. I don't know how the price is correctly this looks like. I agree, like minus 1000 would probably still be good price. But like some of these paul fights whether it's logan or jake have been weird, like the logan paul mayweather fight was strange, like both of them weren't really trying, so I didn't really know what to expect. But then I say that and I go well, why didn't I just bet the money line that if Jake Paul ends in a draw, I've still covered on Jake Paul stuff? I don't know what it was, I think I just was unsure and therefore didn't want to put too much down. But then, yeah, watching the fight, oh my God, I won't lose sleep over it, but I will. Every time I see highlights or replays or anything about us, I'll go wow, I should have bet way more than I did. 

14:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I can remember, like my justification for mayweather, which is I've watched a lot of mayweather fights. He's a very technical fighter. I've watched him go up against some of the best fighters in the world who have not been able to tag him or ko him or in any way and like how this guy's not not gonna. And then the people were saying, well, what if it's a, you know, a fixed event? What if it's just a yeah, and I'm like it's not because it's mayweather, like he's not gonna sacrifice his leg. I felt very confident. This had a lot of elements outside of that where I was like, yeah, you know what fuck? I watched tyson fight, you know roy jones jr to a draw and it was a complete sham. 

15:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
They were not to hit each other in the head. They didn't hit each other in the head at all in that fight. 

15:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's a higher probability. It could be a sham. 

15:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But in that case there's no way Jake Paul would throw a fight. He'd have to win in that case or it would have to be a draw. Then again, I would also say it to myself. 

15:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's another reason I should have just bet jake so, even as the chargers were blowing the game, I was like it's been a good weekend, like I, as it got to 27. All I'm like this was a good weekend. Yeah, stay calm, it's been a good, did you? 

15:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
buy the premium stuff. Did you buy the off-brand stuff at the grocery store? 

15:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
yeah, just whatever, and dunkaroos whatever lunch please, for uh, whatever needed to get um when it was and I know it's just like a dude's Lunchables and Dunkaroos no Lunchleys, lunchleys Based on the show, whatever needed to get it when it was and I know it's just like a dude's opinion and I get like even when you make the bet you know Tyson's got the first. Like Tyson, the first round is where he's going. It'd be like a bar fight. 

15:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yes. 

16:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like that's where the 60-year-old guy still has his like you know he's got a two minutes fresh in him. When the dude doing the scorecard for the broadcast sent it out as two, nothing, tyson I after two I did have like a like a holy shit Cause in your head. You're like okay, well, to win the fight. Now I got to win five of the net. 

16:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I didn't think he won those two rounds, but you know when you're watching a fight. 

16:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He scared the shit out of me, but you know when you're watching a fight, but it still scared the shit out of me, but you know, when you're watching like I never had that reaction to you. 

16:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, the first round. 

16:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I knew okay, that's when Mike has there's a point where you just know this is done On the third round. 

16:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You knew it, yes, you knew it. 

16:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
When Jake Paul hit him with a hook like four times in a row to his head and Mike Tyson didn't react and just started stealing, I was watching. 

16:43 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Tyson's legs. I'm like this guy cannot step forward anymore. 

16:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The commentator kept going his legs, his legs. 

16:48 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The commentator by the way. 

16:50 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Roy Jones, mauro Ranallo. 

16:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Mauro Ranallo the bipolar rock and roller who we? 

16:54 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
used to work with back in the day. I was so proud to find out that he I don't know whether he's come out of his own mini-retirement to retirement to do that, but it's great to see I, I we used to me and jeff used to work with more, and I'll go back to the fortunate that opportunity came on a netflix run broadcast. 

17:08
Yes yes, mike tyson, to his credit. Well, like boxing is a whole different animal. He was an incredible shape for like 60 years old. Like he, he looked like he had yeah, glutes His bare ass, of course. Yeah, I mean in the words of Tiger Woods. His glutes weren't firing, but they looked good. 

17:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yes, you know what didn't look good though? The buffering for the entire time on Netflix. I don't know where you guys watch a fight. I was in New York for the weekend with my wife. I told her I'm like, listen, I can't miss this event. We go back to our room, I'm on Netflix and I turn it on and it's just really blurry and grainy. I'm thinking this is bad hotel wifi. And then I'm checking in on Twitter, people are complaining. I'm like thank God, I don't have like the buffering. And then, once we got to Paul Tyson, I actually watched half of this fight on Antonio Brown's Twitter feed. 

18:05 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So I'm the same. I watched it on a legal streaming site, which is crazy to me because this was Netflix's opportunity to show the world that they can be a broadcasting company and I had to resort to illegally streaming a fight that wasn't even a pay-per-view that I technically already paid for because I had Netflix. It is absurd. 

18:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't understand how Netflix didn't just buy out all of these streaming companies and just say let us use your server space. I'm not an IT specialist or anything like that. I just don't understand how you can like possibly underestimate the load that your servers are going to come under for a fight like this. 

18:36 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So like it seems impossible to me that this could happen for an event of this size, and this is the second time this has happened with Netflix with a live show, and it might've happened previous times as well, cause there was a Love is Blind reunion where listen, I'm Were you upset about that one. I was upset about it because they also had it was a live reunion. Live reunion started late and they didn't like they had buffering issues as well, like this. 

18:59
And it's like you already went through it what, what the fuck's gonna happen for monday night football now, or, sorry, uh, the christmas game. Christmas, yeah, there's a christmas game on netflix, uh, dolphins, and it's not gonna have the load of paul it's not gonna have the same load. 

19:10 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You don't think so. They have game christmas day. You guys don't think you'll have the same load at the games last year this was insane no, no, no, this was this was come on. I'll tell you what I loved about this. 

19:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No chance I don. 

19:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This was the first time in forever in forever that I can remember everyone that I was following on Twitter was tweeting about the same thing. There were so many people invested in this it's not even going to come close. The NFL is not going to come close, not close. 

19:36 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Let me give you a couple reasons why I believe. I believe this was almost like NFL. 

19:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Hey, from a betting handle. 

19:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They said it was like nfl playoff game level, which is huge way more. Maybe more. You're right. Maybe saw it like earlier in the day. It was at playoff game level. It's christmas day, like, yes, football fans, people are still like out and about visiting family. It's not going to get the sort of like friday night, t Tyson, everyone is home at that time sort of traffic. There's no way, and I I I'm a slut for the NFL, but there's just no way. I think it will match that traffic. 

20:15 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
It's it can't okay, well, I just hope they don't fuck it up. 

20:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm not exaggerating, man, I'm going through, I listen, I don't follow a ton of people. I I follow like 800, but everyone is tweeting the same thing. Everyone is in tune with this fight. The world is in tune with this fight. 

20:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So I like a lot of people because Netflix is on every TV in my house between me and the kids. The TV that I had it on just even see the intro. When I started the broadcast, that one worked fine but I couldn't get it up on, like if I went to a different room later in the night. I couldn't get it working good on the TV. I was trying, but the one that it was on and it stayed on from literally the start was like good and the quality was good, but moving around the house I couldn't get it going on those TVs. 

21:04 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So you had trouble getting it up in the bedroom, is what you were saying? Yeah, I couldn't get it going on those teams, so you had trouble getting it up in the bedroom, is what you were saying, I guess. So, yeah, that's all I heard. 

21:12 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
The problem for me was I would get buffering and then it would load, fine, but then I would be like 15-20 seconds behind real time and then I'd get it again and by round 3 or 4, it's cumulative now and now I'm a round behind and I love to follow on Twitter while these are happening as well, and I can't do that. It's a spoiler. I mean, I literally am on Antonio Brown's Twitter account because they got a box at AT&T Stadium and they're just streaming the scoreboard. And. 

21:41
I'm like you know what? That's pretty funny. 

21:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I know scoreboard, which is I'm like you know what. That's pretty funny. Yeah, you know I'm gonna. I will say the exact same thing happened pretty much between rounds four through eight that, even being 18 seconds behind, it would have felt like you were alive, because the like nothing different at any point happened between that I I'll admit this I didn't watch the last round and a half of the fight. 

22:02
I mean, I mean I did it the only more interesting than the last round and a half of the fight I mean I did it, but the only more interesting than the last round was just sort of like the aftermath when it called out logan paul, which is like dude, this is already a retirement check for you. 

22:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Come on, I honestly don't care about that's like that was never going to interest me it's like oh, who are they going to call it after? I'm like I can find that out after the fact on twitter. Ab84 stopped working like the sixth round, and that was I'm like I'm done had you generational opportunity, you would. 

22:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You would have watched the last correct listen. 

22:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I had a sweat but like I did stupid things, I arped out of some some of the the bet at like some really good prices. I, I, I did fine. In hindsight I will look back at this as an opportunity wasted. I will I put money on the draw in the fight for stupid reasons? Me too, so I did stupid things along the way that prevented it from being what could have been incredible. 

22:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
This might be wrong but I know we touched on this a little bit. But I think the biggest indicator for me of this fight, of why I felt so confident about it going in I wasn't confident but like why I was willing to risk so much was that we talked about on the thursday night watch along. We had there were people who are runners and they took so many bets for sharp on sharp action for jake paul and the line was not moving at all and that has to be in in future. I got to use that as an indicator because that that is just to me one of the biggest indicators as to why and when I said like portnoy didn't move the line I don't think he's a sharp, but you are right. 

23:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The indicator was some of the sharper books, what they had the line at, versus a lot of the rec lines just to know how good of some of the numbers you were actually able to pull um. And what's weird, right like early in the week, was it like minus 400, minus 350, like in the weeks, the months? 

23:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It came down, it did and then, it just. 

23:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is very similar. It's the same line movement as Mayweather-McGregor. 

23:53 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Are we going to get a generational opportunity, canelo versus Jake Paul? If that happens? I have no idea. I honestly don't even know. 

23:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can't even tell you how I can price it right now I'm just going to be consuming information and listening to people around me, but hopefully we get some. I mean listen. If we get more of those, they're technically not generational law. 

24:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's true. I know it's become a diamond. Well then, the next one would be. 

24:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. 

24:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not even smart enough to know. I'm saying if he doesn't want to fight, yet he already. Yeah, he fought the kid, yeah, whatever, but he hot, but he, he did well enough in that fight to know he could beat a 58 year old. That was sort of like that was part of also my takeaway on what the line could be, it was a close fighting story. 

24:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I think it was a split decision yeah, I think so and it was. 

24:37 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It could have gone either way yeah anyways um, did you guys catch mike tyson's bare ass in real time, or is it? 

24:44 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
not only did I catch Mike Tyson's ass in real time, I got my for you page was maybe 20 tweets in a row of just Mike Tyson's ass. So I'm trying to follow along with the fight and like whatever the pregame stuff and I'm scrolling my for you page and it's just like so much ass it's crazy, my stream never buffered. 

25:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Actually, I was really I. I didn't. I saw all these comments. I was wondering, because we're in Canada. I was wondering if it was just an American issue. My stream did not buffer one time, so I got full view of. 

25:12 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Mike. 

25:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Tyson's ass. 

25:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This was honestly, it was so I'm watching this live as well is the greatest laugh out loud moment. I couldn't believe. Okay, back in the day day. You know it's funny. I'm watching the super. It was the patriots um, patriots panthers super bowl. When, um, janet jackson had the wardrobe malfunction, the wardrobe malfunction, justin timberlake, and it's it's halftime. Most of the guys at at my party and it was pretty much all guys at that were eating food, whatever, and, like one of my buddies was like he just showed her tit. 

25:49
And like we're all looking like Joey shut up, Like you know, and like in real time. Nobody knew there was no social media. It wasn't until the next day people were talking about it. This was like I'm like my wife is like like coloring, playing some coloring app and better. I'm like do you see this, Do you see it? And we were just dying of laughter. It's the funniest, it's the way it happened with the interview before. 

26:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I love you. 

26:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And then like turning and slowly walking away. But as he's walking away, you just know he's wearing his jock strap and that's it. Oh my God man, this for me was one of the funniest moments. I was in tears. I cried for like five minutes. 

26:31 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
It was so funny Just incredibly funny. 

26:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know that we'll ever get a repeat of something like this. Ever again, more stuff from this fight Bet on my. It gets weirder. Dave Mason does a great job of putting up the weirdest markets for some of these fights. 

26:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
They're obviously so idiots like us. We'll talk about it on our shows. 

26:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Job well done by this sportsbook in particular, put up a market of which part of Jake Paul will Mike Tyson bite, and opened Paul's penis at 500 to 1, and it got bet down to 100 to 1. I got to ask you, like the novelty props, who actually bets? Okay, not the novelty props, but you bet Jake Paul's penis. 

27:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yes, yeah, 500 to 1, and I got CLV on it. 

27:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You have to walk me through Did you actually. 

27:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Here's the thing. 

27:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
If you bet it, you got really good CLV. 

27:26 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
If you get CLV on a bet, is it a good bet? Well, not in a market like this. Okay, well, I got CLV on it and I don't know. 

27:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got CLV when I played mini golf against Jeff. 

27:38 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'm going to throw a dollar on this. So when I go to my buddies and watch the fight, I can scream, bite him in the dick constantly throughout the fight for entertainment purposes. 

27:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You don't even have to really throw a dollar on that. 

27:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You could have just said that you could just screen, grab the bet and show your buddies. Look at this People bet the dumbest shit sometimes just for that. 

27:55 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
That's the reason it's, so that you can say that you did it. I mean it's listen, I'll do a lot for a meme. 

28:01 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
They're going to post it. 

28:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like they're going to do a lot for a meme. 

28:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So they're going to post it Like in what world is Mike Tyson going to bite Jake Paul's penis? Think about that for a second. You'd have to. 

28:10 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, I was also thinking about this. If he ever has an opportunity and he gets blocked by the jockstrap, would that count? Like if he bit jockstrap? But not it would have been like impossible to do just in that scenario. Oh, man. 

28:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
There's a lot of reasons to get into this, and I saw the amount of Was Glove on this at all or no? 

28:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, I was about to say he was biting his own gloves a lot. Yeah, it was. I don't know. 

28:36 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He's like I have a biting fixation. Yeah, we know. 

28:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean, there was a part of it during the fight where I did consider that Tyson might bite Jake Paul, like there was some clenches afterwards where I'm like yes and if he wanted to get. 

28:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
What was the sharp play here? 

28:49 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
If you want to get under this now, the sharp play was not to bet into this one. That was the sharp play. I'll tell you what wasn't a sharp play. It was Matt Leinert. Before the fight. All right easy. 

29:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I know, listen, I know you're a C guy. 

29:02 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
A script leaked for Tyson Paul fight tonight, which would be a shame. Not naive to the fact that most of these are, but damn, that would suck. Honestly, how dumb of a human do you have to be to think that there is going to be a script of a fight that leaks online? I don't understand what goes through people's heads. If an event was scripted or fake, do you think people are putting this down on paper? Is that what people are doing? 

29:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
here. I just want to add context to this as well, because I don't know what script he saw. 

29:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But I saw a script as well, and it was five rounds it's an eight-round fight. 

29:42 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So I mean liner it Like come on, smarten up here, like just Google it. You also played sports, like don't act yeah. 

29:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I guess my only comment on this would be like the whole misinformation debate is really just centered around like culture and politics, and not to say like sports or this matters, but it just shows how easy it is for something stupid like that script to gain traction. 

30:09
and then you know people with huge followings to like be dumb enough to believe it. We saw aaron rogers last week go on mcafee and with the jared goff and then just be like I saw it on on Twitter, and I mean hand up Like I'm sure we're all guilty of regurgitating something we saw on Twitter that wasn't true. I mean, I've like the best of them. I'm closer to boomers, so I've gotten got by things on Twitter. 

30:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
These AI videos. Lately I've gotten got by a few of those recently. They look really real and then you get to the end and you can really tell that nobody's going to see it. 

30:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We're at an age where that didn't happen, the kids. Today you got a younger, a 23-year-old cousin. He could spot the fake almost instantly. 

31:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes. 

31:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Me it takes a little harder. Yeah, because I grew up in an age where that didn't happen and the internet was real, yeah. And then all of a sudden it became unreal. 

31:10 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They do a good job with making the first like 30 seconds of the video. Very realistic yeah, and then you get to a point where you're like watching a Mike Tomlin presser and he's calling people like fucking losers. And you're like fucking losers and you're like, yeah, I don't think tomlin is. You know, I've seen tomlin for a long time, but that's the problem, is that you, you really have to, you know, see through the whole thing a lot of times yeah, maybe we want to. 

31:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
We need to work on some education at usc as well, I don't know and also the football team. Anyway, there's a lot to work on here. But before, before we get off the the the tyson topic quickly, I have a question for you guys, because I watch this fight with people who are all on Tyson, all want I see the way. Yeah, and I had a couple friends who were didn't bet on the fight and right before the fight they were about to load up their accounts. They don't keep any money in their accounts. They load up their accounts. If they lose it's gone. If they win, they take it. 

31:56
Right now they're very square, yeah, and they were about to bet the worst price in market on Mike Tyson. I said, guys, listen, I'll just, I'll just cross with you no vague, yes, right, and I'll take the other side and I'll give you a better price. How do you guys feel about that? Because I felt bad saying that but at the same time, like you, don't want them to bet into a terrible price, exactly, but I feel like you're offering them better odds. 

32:17
I felt, I felt like a scumbag, though I feel like we need to normalize this because, like, I felt weird offering it, but I'm trying to, like I was trying to help them out Because they don't get it. I'm basically as price sensitive as it gets. 

32:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm 99th percentile price sensitive. A lot of my betting is done in this manner. I'm always looking for best prices, no matter how I can get them. As long as I feel pretty confident that I'm going to get paid, I'll do that. I don't see what the problem is. I'm watching football games with my friends sometimes and one of my, my buddy, says hey, can you load up your account and put this live bet in for me and I'll be like well, I'll just get I don't I like the other side, like I'll just let's meet in the middle, and we do that all the time. 

32:50
I I think it should be normal. 

32:51 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I mean if you want to like lie about it. You just say like oh, I can get you this line on my book. Do you want me to bet it for you? 

32:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
but then you don't get the action. 

33:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, then you don't actually make it on that book, but you give them the line the better line you get, even better. No big line, yeah, no big line they think that they're just paying you back for the bet you lost in your book, as opposed to just paying? 

33:13 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
you back. 

33:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Um, like I've had a buddy text me to bet this game for me and I'm like, okay, actually, like the other side be like okay, bets in. Like I just took the bet am I supposed to like to disclose that after. Maybe, maybe not, I still I'm not joking I guess maybe if circles, if, if, if the account wants to block my wife or mute so she can't see if you post the short of it, are you still on the short? Jacob doesn't know that I'm dead serious. 

33:45 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't want it. I'm dead serious. I'm clipping that. It's getting clipped, so then I'm. 

33:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, I have veto. 

33:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's Easter egg. He's a creator. I don't know how we're going to go about. It's honestly a great clip. 

33:57 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
So then, yeah, I want you to block, I want the account it's tweeted from, to block my wife. 

34:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Not that she would follow, we could do that, yeah, so that she can't. She can't indirectly see it. I know what you're getting at. 

34:09 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't want you to clip this part of it either, though you have to attach this to the end of the clip for context. Now I can't believe you went back to that. 

34:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Now we can just talk about that after the show sure, if you don't want, I don't want to forget. Block your wife on twitter from the circles off hq account. 

34:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It'll happen, don Don't worry my comment on betting with your friends. My friends would rather get a worse price than lose personally to me. 

34:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
They would rather get a worse price than have to lose to me. I can respect that. 

34:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I probably feel the same way. So I think in a lot of situations they'd rather just take the worst price. 

34:41 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
It's funny because my friend texted me after he's saying you know what like. In hindsight, I'm happy that I did this, because I'd rather give you money than give it to the sports book a complete opposite, yeah it depends on your friend. 

34:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can totally see where, jake. Yeah, absolutely, there's a few of my friends on the specific individual the individual matters. 

34:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, it could still be one of my best friends, but you're yeah yeah, I like that. It's like oh, I have to now pay you for this $400 bet that I lost to you or something, when you owe me $520 from golf this summer. But I don't really want to bring it up because it'd be weird and awkward. That would annoy me. 

35:17 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah. Yeah, I still feel scummy about it, but whatever, why? 

35:20 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I don't know. I just feel like you're the dude. How many times have you done that in life? 

35:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I just feel like you're the dude, you were ready to welch on $10 to the community of the network and you're worried about this, I don't know man. 

35:32 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I know. 

35:33 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You should be worried more about that paying your debts. 

35:35 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Listen, I got to get black socks. I think they're $10. 

35:38 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So we'd get a three-pack for like $9 or something like that. Right Angle Sports in the news this week. Right Angle Sports, a pick selling service, pretty respected, I would say, in the industry. But I would say and this is my own personal perspective, just from the outside, looking in over the last couple of years, there's more and more people, I feel, that are rooting for them to fail than to succeed, and this tweet, I think, might encompass a little bit of why so Right Angle Sports Picks tweets we enter today 31-25-3 on the season but 42-17 on the first halves of those same games. So we're feeling pretty good about our reads and the plays we've been able to release on the service so far, despite the tougher market conditions. 

36:25
There's some jokes going around Mike, mike vivian, who does a lot of jokes I mean he tweeted a really fun one that made me laugh and there was a lot in kind of the same manner this weekend. I gotta tell you I I like the people at right angle sports. I interviewed ed for episode 100 of circles off. I've interviewed turnoff before. I meet jeff from right angle sports every single year in vegas. A great guy, actually one of my favorite in the industry, mike craig uh, does college football for them? This account is getting to be tone deaf, yes, at this point, like it's to the point now where it. I actually cringe a little bit at a lot of the tweets and arguments that come from this account. I don't know for sure who's running it, but I got to say it's time to stop running it in this way. 

37:14 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, it's so unbelievable because when you first showed me this tweet, I was like what's wrong with it, like it's fine, that's a good ROI to have on the first half of games. I'm like like, oh, you're not betting on the first. I think this is just the games that you bet on. Yes, I was like they're not betting the first half. It is important. 

37:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I will say in in sports when you're betting, uh, you, you should look at secondary metrics, yes, that tell you whether or not you got it in. Good rass can't really look at clv because they they create a lot of their own clv, so they have to look to some other things to see whether or not the bets are good, and I get that. But when you are selling pick packages, nobody gives a shit. At some point you are going to be held accountable for your own record. This process should happen behind the scenes, yes, and not on the public twitter account the messaging on this tweet is literally like democratic strategist, strategist-esque. 

38:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It is so out of touch. I cannot believe how dumb this tweet is. And these guys are smart yes, they're very bright guys who win bets to send tweet, to send type it out to type this and send it. 

38:34
You are. You are just. You are out of touch with the community for which you are trying to service. I cannot believe this. This would be like a fucking nfl coach whose team is four and seven. Right now. Who's on the hot seat letting the media and the fans know that they would be eight and three if the games ended at halftime. It is so. You are talking to your audience like they're I don't want to use that word like they're. They're dumb dumb, dumb. 

39:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I, I agree with you. I, I I read this through the first time and I'm like there's certain things that you just read on the internet and you're like, oh, like they just really rub you the wrong way, and the first time I saw that one I felt a little bit of of my soul. Leave my body. 

39:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Sometimes the dudes at the top are so smart that they do not understand how dumb their messaging is, understand how dumb their messaging is and I don't want to like, I like, as I, I mean, like, I feel like I see this sort of thing from other people on the top tier who, like, will turn losses into reminding you how smart they are yeah, um listen, I I get it again, I I get you, I don't get this one. 

40:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually don't get I I do get it. I think it's a huge like come in come in. 

40:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You can bet the other side at halftime when you ride with us. What are you telling? 

40:15 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
me the, the messaging which is conveyed poorly and I don't think actually needs to be conveyed off to a good start we have a good record it. We should actually be better because you know, late game stuff has not worked in our favor. That's fine, Are they? 

40:30 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
counting the games here where late game stuff worked in what's like I get. They have a good record. They're good. They sell a service for a price. They better have a good fucking record. I'm not, and I Well, I don't. Well, I'm not a client. Well, I don't. Well, I'm not a client. I do believe. I do believe that most like the good, I believe most of the good stuff said about them is true. As much as I've been hard here and I'm not a subscriber, I do believe they are at the top and they document and move numbers and they're, they're good and you're not wrong. Like they've gotten to a place where now it's like people want to cheer against them. It's just a very common cultural thing, it's a building our sports gambling ecosystem or in any part of life. 

41:17
They have gotten to it and their messaging just makes people in the same way. People wanted to see jake paul, because of his messaging, get put on the goddamn canvas by anyone. People who aren't their subscribers want to see these guys get put on the canvas for for nonsense, like for no, for being lacking the self-awareness to actually tweet this. 

41:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
People want them to get put on the canvas I think, like three years ago, if I, if I pulled the community of, let's say, sharp bettors or professional bettors that I interact with, there was an overwhelming positivity for right angle sports. Despite the fact that they sell, there's always going to be the people that, like you sell picks, fuck you, like I don't care, you're scum this and that there's a there's subsection. But the rest of pro bettors I think there was an overwhelmingly positive sentiment towards right angle sports. What's changed in the past couple years? 

42:14
Again, this is my perspective, but I do feel other people feel this way as well this Twitter account went off the rails for one and two. They had that discord, which they ended up getting moderated by Elihu, another personality in space, who just started banning everyone, whether right or wrong. I don't want to get into that, but now the sentiment couldn't be any lower and I don't know who this tweet is supposed to cater to. But what is inevitably going to happen is you are just going to get all of the sharp bettors on Twitter who read this and respond and say what the fuck? And overwhelmingly, like in a lot of spots, any publicity is good publicity. In this case, I would say it's not. 

42:57 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, I fully agree with you. Who are you marketing to? Cause it seems like with what Red Angle Sports is doing on Twitter TikTok, all that stuff they have a very clear marketing strategy towards, I would say, not as sharp bettors as they were trying to bring in before. Yeah, and I get that right. You want to tap the market you don't have access to, but through this you are alienating your current market. 

43:14 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I know, and no one in the square market cares about this but this is not the way to advertise to like the person and, by the way, like the price points on it too. It's a a little bit more challenging, but go ahead, jeff. 

43:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And we'll get. I think what I'm about to say might lead into our next discussion, but the people on Twitter are not the people who will stand for this sort of tweet. They're not. There's not the audience that you can get away with tweeting that for. There's not the audience that you can get away with tweeting that for. You can pat yourself on the back in different ways to maybe different audiences to show your stuff, but not the Twitter one, at least at this moment in time. This is a Threads Blue Sky audience. 

44:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you could easily turn this into a one-minute TikTok of like. Here's our record. Here's what it looked like this year. If we look at the first half of these games and highlight individual plays, that speaks to the TikTok audience. People get really influenced by that kind of stuff. On TikTok, I'm not saying you should, but anyways, I agree with you. It's just not the right medium to do so. Into the next topic Blue Sky. Lots of people leaving Twitter. They topic blue sky. Lots of people leaving Twitter. They're going over to blue sky. It could be, multiple reasons. 

44:27
Are they leaving? Well, we'll talk about that in one second. Sammy P Sam Paniatovich chicken dinner. Nobody cares if you're leaving. X repeated multiple times on screen. 

44:39
I got to say this is sounds like very stuff. This is not politically motivated in any way. I want to clear that up very much. I've been on Twitter since 2010. There's been changes that I like. There's been changes that I don't. I cannot imagine a world where I could possibly leave Twitter or any other app that I use, just because of who's running it, who's leading it. It really, deep down, does bother me when I see like the 12 message long thread of like. We can't support this any longer. We can't do. At least I don't apply. Like again. Get politics out of the way here. It's a fucking great app for for sweat like yeah, there's some things I hate about it. Search feature sucks now. I don't use. I don't like For you tab. I get surf stuff I don't like. I don't have to use it. I can just use my following tab if I want. What's the problem here? I don't understand. 

45:31 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So I'm just shocked, because whenever I see this stuff, I find it hilarious. We saw it with Threads. I think we saw it with Mastodon a couple years ago. M x and go follow me on blue sky or whatever it is. Those people always have tweets after the fact on twitter, but then you go to their blue sky and they haven't sent out a post or anything. They're not doing it. They're not doing it. 

45:52 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And if they leave it's momentarily and they're still peeking, they're looking through the window. They are not leaving the greatest app on the planet. They are not. If you want to make it slightly better and I get, maybe you don't want to support the overlord, but I would recommend maybe paying for some premium services. You know your parents subscribed to magazines and they paid money for them. It's okay to like pay a little. I pay for YouTube premium. Why? I love fucking YouTube. Yeah, I agree with, agree with. So it's worth it to me. Yes, that's it. And I remember a time where I subscribed to magazines and they showed up at my door or you paid for things. It's okay, it's okay. 

46:38
Uh, to sammy's point I mean, I, I respect you guys because I did tweet that. Uh, anyone telling me to follow them on Blue Sky? I'm more likely to unfollow them on Twitter. Yeah, I respect you didn't put it up here because I assume when I do show up on that board, it's going to be a launch ball in the gap that I'm going to be needed to take account for. So there's no reason busting my cherry for Blue Sky anti-tweak. But, as Patrick Evanson tweeted, it's not an airport. People, you don't need to announce your departure. 

47:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, it is, if you want, if you're trying to so like for me, right, I have. I don't even know how many followers I have on Twitter now 50,000? Roughly, let's say, in that range. I honestly have no idea. But if I were to leave not leave, first of all, I'm not leaving Twitter I would potentially create another account on Blue Sky where I would occasionally post. Just out of the possibility which I think is small that Blue Sky takes off and I don't want to lose my following that I've built up over many years, I would tweet that I'm on Blue Sky. I would have to do that. It makes no sense for me to go to blue sky. The only reason I would be going there is in the off chance that it blows up. I can bring my following over you can tweet. 

47:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
There's my blue sky thing, not I'm leaving Twitter. 

47:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Here's my 100%. There's two different tweets. 

48:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I now also have a blue sky account. Yeah, it's different from I'm leaving Twitter. Here is my Blue Sky account. Yes, that I think is kind of. 

48:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would literally tweet in the off chance that Blue Sky actually blows up. Here's my account. You can follow me. It is. 

48:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Okay, here's the other part. It's not For the people watching this. Yeah, I mean, I believe even in other aspects, twitter aspects. Twitter is the greatest app ever. I and I love I mean I remember being on the days where it's like larry fitzgerald is tweeting I'm at the mall. 

48:31
Come say hi, like in its infancy use where you would literally like almost use it to just notify people of what you're doing as opposed to opinions on things and I get like I I'm, I'm aware and I have strong you know there's a lot of effed up things going on in the world and if you care about any of them, twitter can be like a very annoying place. But the thing I care about more than any of it is sports and when it comes to Twitter, like there's not even a close rival for what can happen and, yes, you have like toxic fans, we have incident, you know. Know, we have things. You say things, people, you can get hit. Even you tweet something fair and balanced analytically, you'll get hit by homers being like hey, like just gross comments, all the sort of things. 

49:20
I tweeted a picture of my daughter on the weekend. Some people, some things are gross. I'll give you that. But in the strictly sports sense, I don't believe it's like 1 100, the toxicity of like the politics or anything it is. It is where the news and information for sports is and even if all the politics people left and us sports people stayed behind, it's like it's the best. Yes, yeah, and whether that's toxic or not and I always encourage people on all elements you can well, you can't make it perfect you can curate your own experience way more. I think people underestimate how much they can actually curate the experience for them on these apps. And I'm not talking about For you, yeah, because, as I said before, I love the chart. You get stuck in For you. You want out of there. 

50:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
For you is how I find a lot of the content for this show, but it's not. 

50:21 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I'll scroll it. 

50:21 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Because it's stuff that I honestly sometimes don't care for and I don't even know exists. Yeah, but it actually does its job. It's not really for me. I will say that's where the algorithm sometimes, but it elevates a lot of popular gambling tweets that I sometimes see. I prefer the following tab, but again, it's very customizable. Listen, at some point there are people who are rooted in, uh, opinions on what's right or wrong political stance. I I get it as much as it's not. 

50:53 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
no, I get it some of it I don't get, though, like when you're I'm leaving twitter, bye, but I'm as you fucking walk out, you're going to drive your tesla. 

51:03 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You're a fucking loser well, sure, I would agree with that, but there are people who don't fall into that category. 

51:07 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But there are a lot of people who do sure, and I would agree with you on that. 

51:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, I would agree if your stance is I'm leading, leaving twitter because elon musk runs twitter and I don't want to see this. And you're driving a tesla? Yeah, I think you're a hypocrite. Yeah, I, I do, and you should be called out for that. However, I do think that there is a minority of people that are leaving for reasons of like. We can't stand this guy or we are very left-wing, and that's. Listen to each their own. Am I going to leave what you know, jeff? I think you said it very aptly For sports, there's nothing better. I mean, you look at my screen time every day on my phone. I'm not playing games, I'm not on Instagram or what. This is my. I am on Twitter. I get my news there for sports, I get my opinions there. For sports, I get access to good articles, as long as Woj and Shams like that's where they're putting out that information Woj is done. 

52:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Sorry, I meant. 

52:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Schefter, that's where we are, and it sounds weird to think like Schefter, how do you put this? Schefter might actually hold the keys to sports Twitter. Schefter, or Scheffler Schefter, adam Schefter, okay, adam Schefter, and like Rapshi, yeah, and like Shams. If they're like we're done here, yeah, we're going there. 

52:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That's true. 

52:28 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That would be from the sports aspect, the migration it would be, but as long as they are going to Twitter first. 

52:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
And they won't go because their following is so big on Twitter. And nobody wants to start over. Imagine wanting to start over. No one wants to do that. 

52:43 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
And I'm sure Twitter is aware and I'm sure they pay them out very well for their tweets, do you? 

52:47 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
think so. I was just thinking that. Do you think Twitter pays these guys to put the news on the platform 100%. 

52:51 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Well, they do it through the creator program. 

52:53 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, right, like if you're verified. 

53:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Get like. You get paid for your tweet, for your tweets. If there's a competing company, they should try to buy them out and send them to a different app? 

53:06 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
yeah, absolutely, I was thinking about that as well, but how does blue sky have? The second time I'm mentioning antonio brown this this show, and I think he tweeted it came up in the for you tab for me this week, or the um, where he tweeted his earnings that he gets from twitter every week, which is like like 10K a week, something along those lines. It's pretty absurd. 

53:22 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He doesn't run that account. He hires someone to run his own account. 

53:24 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Some things are but, like some things are so in the moment, and with him Anyway, we've spoken about it many times His comedy writers they're the nuts. Yes, they are, they are the nuts yes, they are. 

53:44 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They are the nuts, uh, I mean some of the stuff that you know I one day I would like to be able to trust someone to run the raw pizzola twitter account and tweet in the same manner that I would, but like not get me canceled, told the line well enough, that, ah that that that is a goal for me this one's easy, because there is no line there is no line, and this guy's like yeah, I'm sure these joke writers are thinking of things where even brown is like I. 

54:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's so fucked up. Even I couldn't have thought of it, but I love it, thank you, I know it's true. 

54:09 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Um, all right on twitter this week, the degenerate at the dgen weekly. I met this guy at bet bash last year. I gotta say I love this guy. Great guy, big fan of his, very much knows who he is. Authentic, not like you gotta tail my bets. I'm getting in the lab working like really authentic, in my opinion. 

54:36
Last weekend is watching the late slate of nfl games and they are fucking bad games. Like we got cooper rush playing it's blowout city. Nothing is close. He films a two-minute video. Have I. Am I overreacting or is the nfl in a state of emergency? This is ugly to watch. He films it while he's watching the screen. He's like look at these games. These are terrible. There's been a lot of blowouts this year. 

54:59
Mina kimes, who I also actually quite like from football analysis point of view I watch a lot of Mina Kimes stuff. She responds this season had the most one score games in NFL history at the halfway mark. This now causes a shit storm because this is, quote tweeted this is on Mina Kimes platform now over a million and people are starting to respond. A lot of heated debate. Scott Van Pelt gets in. Close games and bad games aren't mutually exclusive. Minnesota Jacksonville was a one score game. It was also awful. You don't think there are a bunch of really poor teams right now? Question mark Mina says I think quarterback play is better than it's ever been. 

55:38
Big, big debates about this stuff and I got to tell you I'm always going to be an NFL fan. I cannot picture a time where I won't be an NFL fan. But I think it's very fair to question or call out the interest level in a lot of these games nowadays. I don't know like I start to think to myself if I wasn't rooted in the NFL since I was younger, like literally started watching NFL with my dad when I was four or five years old. I love the league, I watch every game. If I didn't bet on it things, what I care about the NFL, I don't know, man. Like the product is fucking pretty bad. But at this point, like we're sitting through these live watch alongs these commercial breaks, like it is tough for some of these standalone games and I can't get away almost because I feel like I'll be like left out I don't't. 

56:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Okay. I like you, rob, feel like I can't fairly judge this debate because I'm obsessed with the NFL. Yes, like truly, it is my obsession. I get joy from such few things in life. I get truly unexcited about. 

56:54
No, how do I put this? There's not many things I care about, but the things I care about I care about like to infinity. Yeah, like that is just my personality. There's not a lot I give a shit about, but if I give a shit, yeah, oh, baby, you're all in and I am like obsessed with the nfl. I don't know how to objectively grade it because to me, like it feels like it's just the same so I don't know that it's much different? 

57:21 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
do you feel the same way? Do you feel like it's much different at all? 

57:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
you do the watch along, so you might have. 

57:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually don't I actually don't know if, like, the quality has gone downhill because it's hard. I've always been like jeff. I'm fully invested. I watch every nfl. I've told you this, like when I started dating my current girlfriend, I was like 16, 16, 17 years old. I was already telling her sorry, my current wife, I was gonna correct you. Apologies, Diana, if you're watching. 

57:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
There's no side piece. There's no side piece right now. Cut that one. 

57:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But when I started dating my current wife, my girlfriend, when I was 16, 17, within like the first six months of dating, she was like oh, you gotta come over for um, it's like my dad's birthday, I'm like no, no, no I'm like we can call it quits here, but nfl sundays I'm going to be in front of the coach the entire day. This is how it's going to be for life. 

58:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'll be honest, rob, I see a lot of similarities in um sort of in somehow like italian kids and some jewish kids are raised, and I think we had a very similar approach here. I feel like we both dated our current well, our only wives. 

58:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Our only wives For a very long time. 

58:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yes, I dated my wife for so long before I actually married her. I say that like it seems, like it's like how long, how long. 

58:39
That like there was no mincing around yes like I know there's that saturdays are for the boys. No, for me, sundays were for the boys and in some weird way you need to know. This is where I I listen, I'm not normal. So I say this. I know I'm not normal, I don't want normal friends. Normal is boring as fuck. Agreed, I'm in the this league. My obsession with it. It existed long before I knew you, and that's just like how my brain works. 

59:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But like for me. Now I'm at the point I think to myself I think the NFL product is shit. So like if I wasn't fully invested in NFL since I was young and I just got turned on to it this year, of like not I would not be super interested in the NFL. I think a lot of games have been boring. I don't know what Mina's judging the quarterback play on. This is a very open-ended argument. I think quarterback play is terrible across the league for the most part. You just don't have like that many people at a like what who's an above average? Like jared goff is an above average quarterback right now and I'm like, holy fuck, like here's, yeah, here's where we're at at this point in the league, so I'm just invested. It's hard for me to think rationally about these types of situations. I think that the comments about this season has had the most one-score games in NFL history is such a brutal. 

01:00:04
She's responding to him saying that there's a lot of blowouts, so we got to put the context into it. But if you're going to use that to rationalize it being entertaining, I would strongly caution against that. 

01:00:17 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't like it and I do like Mina, despite at one time in my life her minions did attack me Mina's minions. 

01:00:26 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
No, it's a real thing. What do they go after you? 

01:00:27 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
for I don't even remember. Honestly like a lot of things she probably said something about Justin Herbert. 

01:00:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Okay, that's like I don't remember exactly. Yeah, that was probably the most triggered I ever was in my life on Twitter, which I regret, and I've privately apologized to the person I don't want to. It was when he tweeted something about Tony Romo as well. 

01:00:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, no, listen, mina's. I actually I like Mina. Yeah, I have no problem with her. I think she's pretty smart. 

01:01:00 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
No, yeah, I have no problem with her. I think she's pretty smart, no, very smart. I have a problem with this debate, though. I have a problem with the people that say that the games are not unwatchable, that the products declined, and then their defense is that no one would watch a lot of these games if there was no betting, if there was no fantasy. But like that, there is. Yeah, I know. 

01:01:14
It's part of the culture of the NFL and that's so many people I know are recent NFL fans where they just started watching in the last two, three years and they fucking love it. They absolutely love every second of it. They're grinding out their last wide receiver to score a touchdown at the end of the game because they need it for their fantasy. They love that shit. They don't care how bad the product is. They don't care if they're going to watch the Minnesota Vikings against the Jacksonville Jaguars be a 12 to9 game where Sam Darnold throws four interceptions, whatever it is, they fucking love it. And I think we are spoiled and I think we look back at things with rose-colored glasses Because, if we're being honest, there was some shit-ass fucking games in the past and we don't remember those shit games. 

01:01:52 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I remember lots of shit. I remember the Falcons Matt Ryan like 9-6 overtime games, 12, nine Like I remember always. 

01:02:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
But my question is I actually quarterback play Like there's always been a 12 teams in the league without a quarterback yeah, and maybe I'm being nice to quarterback 16, 17 and 18. They're like good, they're serviceable, they can start. There's always been. I've never watched football in my life, without memory, without there not being 30 teams and a third of the league, maybe more, doesn't have a freaking quarterback, and at certain points that number gets a little higher. I remember in some Chris Redmond days do a math I'm like, holy shit, there's like 12 quarterbacks in this league. And the problem is this draft class has been great, but after Herbert Burrow hurts to love, which was like a fantastic class, there was like three years of shit and now we're getting another great class again and it'll pick up the numbies. 

01:02:56 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I wonder what you guys think about this. Do you think that the red zone has ruined our enjoyment of like? Standing on the games alone, because we're just too used to like the dopamine rush of scoring touchdowns. 

01:03:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I mean so I used to I've told this story before, I think on regular Circles Off. But like I used to be the guy that had everyone over at my house and I had a laptop in front of me, I used front of me uh, I used to use cbs sports line. It would put like a red box when teams got into the red zone green, if they just, and I knew every channel offhand I'd memorize them before they got there and I control. 

01:03:27
I basically ran red zone at my house so I have been used to watching football that way anyways, and I like that aspect. Rather than having like four different games on, I like the constant action that comes with it. I this year there was have been some great early red zone slates where it came down to the end in like four or five games. The witching hour was nuts. But I will say I found myself a lot of times this year of just being like I never would do, like I don't nap during football, yeah, but like I've napped during the four o'clock slate call. 

01:04:00 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I napped during that slate. I'm not going to lie, it was ass. 

01:04:03 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Maybe something that's perpetuating this feeling is we have seen now them really try to in some instances shrink down the afternoon slate as CBS and Fox have sort of teamed up to realize we are going to do interchangeable power games and then it's like um arizona versus seattle. Accompanying it, like the four o'clock big game, is essentially cbs and fox's ability to get like a prime time game yeah 4 30 on sunday. 

01:04:37
everyone is fucking home. It's dinner time. Kids got school tomorrow. By the time that game is in the second half, no one's running around anymore. People are at home watching that game. It's been dubbed like America's Game of the Week. Fox and CBS have seen this. They've now used it to get their version of a primetime single slot game that all the other networks get and that has created a smaller window where what happened two weeks ago if that big game sucks and the other games are like goober franchises, you're in trouble. Yeah. 

01:05:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm with you on that one. Okay, we'll keep it moving along here. Um, actually, while we're at it, I hate this in a bad way. I wanted to work it in. Uh, jared lee smith. Uh, I've never met jared smith, at least I don't think so. I might have seen him before. Maybe we've interacted via dms or something. Again, I don't want to make this kind of stuff personal, but I get this comment a lot on twitter so it really resonates with me. Just because your td parlay didn't cash doesn't mean the quality of the nfl product is worse than it was a few years ago. I cannot tell you this is. This is the way to trigger rob pazola. When I make just a tweet about a football game, that is just a, an observation, and the immediate responses are like tell me you lost your bet, without telling me you lost your bet, like everyone just assuming because I'm a better and because I talk about betting, that I cannot make like an educated comment on a game. 

01:06:13 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
The majority of games you don't even bet on. 

01:06:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, that's not true. That's not true. I have something involved in every game pretty much now from a prop perspective or whatever. But but the whole thought, the thought that someone can't separate, like, what they bet on from their, a bit like there are, there's always gonna be homers, there's only gonna be people who, like they, they see things through the lens of I bet on this. I get that, but there's a large percentage of the population that doesn't. 

01:06:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
We're wearing our team colors. Yes, that's all that matters. 

01:06:41 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
But I cannot stand this type of comment. It's just the automatic assumption that anyone's opinion on a game is based off of who they bet on, and people are unable to formulate opinions based off of what they're actually seeing and not what their bet is. 

01:06:58 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That drives me crazy and I actually feel for you, Like anyone with any sort of profile who's just making an observation on the game, who does betting, I feel like gets that when I say you don't even bet every game, I kind of meant the side and just to defend you in that you would be surprised. 

01:07:16 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You'd be surprised that like even side or total, I'm probably got action on 75 of the games in some capacity. There's reasons for it. I like I don't really want you know, sometimes you take a bit. 

01:07:29 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, there's lots of stuff that I just meant like you're making a comment. You've got a prop that involves the receiver on the team that's currently playing defense and you're just making a comment about a penalty or not. Penalty has nothing to do with you losing. Well like this past week. 

01:07:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Chiefs and bills. Right, I bet on the chiefs. Lost the bet on the chiefs against the bills. There's one play in that game face mask. Well, not that it's mahomes to xavier worthy down the sideline. 

01:07:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Xavier worthy can't get both feet inbounds like a 50 a 50-yard game. 

01:07:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I tweet something about Xavier Worthy's spatial awareness being zero because, by the way, I've seen this happen multiple times this year. 

01:08:05
He did it last week where he's standing out of bounds and caught a ball and people are like, oh, they're on you because they think the tweet is tied to your bet and it's not. I'm just making the observation watching the game. This is what I actually can't stand is like that, when that is the go-to and I think this was tweeted in response to the dj weekly's tweet as well, which, listen, I think the guy made a very honest assessment of like I'm watching football, it fucking sucks. Had nothing to do with the fact that his parlay was losing. 

01:08:35 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like I would just say, like that's fair, I don't, I don't, like I said, I don't, I'm I'm not objective to be able to grade the quality of overall play. Right, I would just say djen took on the league and I love him at its like, lowest moment. Yes, with the season might end and that sunday afternoon might be the worst slate, what? 

01:08:57 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
might end being the worst, but it's also the breaking point. It's not just the lowest moment, because you could have the feelings up until that point. 

01:09:04 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're right, you're right, totally fair and it's like the spark. Finally, where it's like fuck. 

01:09:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I got to say something about this, and he's not wrong. 

01:09:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I'm not even saying he's wrong, because there have been moments, but I'm such a loser in the sense that, no, I don't. You see, I don't actually tweet much or like argue with people as it relates to the Chargers on Twitter. 

01:09:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, you don't want that noise. 

01:09:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, no, I just I've kind of I've stopped, like years ago. That being said, I'm the person who, if the Chargers win a game 7-6 and it's the most boring game of the entire NFL year, I am so much happier than them winning losing a game 40-37 that everyone had the best night watching. I only care. My happiness would be dictated on them winning, not my entertainment. 

01:10:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Totally, totally get it. I get it. All right, we'll keep it moving along here. A reminder to you out there talked a little bit about line shopping on this show and I've talked about how I'm a very, very price sensitive. Better. 

01:10:16
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01:10:24
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01:10:50
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01:11:40
FBI at CIA, at real Donald Trump at POTUS. These people will do anything to try and steal money from amateur bettors. Mr Peanutbetter, who I quite like Guys, there are a million things to get mad at books about. Giving shit odds on a random giant long shot prop is not one of them. Just don't bet the Cavs to go undefeatedfeated problem solved. Um, full disclosure, just so anyone who's watching doesn't know this. Uh, we're part of the hammer betting network. 

01:12:07
Fanduel sponsors some of our other content. I'm going to try to remain as unbiased as possible here. Um, even though we are sponsored by fanduel, I gotta say, mr peanut betters response is like a pretty damn good response. Like, people are up in the like. You got to offer a no price on this. Like, what is the? What are these one-way markets? I get it, but the no price on this that they would offer is going to be like minus 500,000. Like, who is going to go and bet that? Anyways? It doesn't solve any problem offering a no like. Sometimes it's okay to just understand that a sports book or a brand is doing something for marketing purposes and you don't have to go insane about it tagging the fbi on twitter like it's okay, I was embellished for a joke, that reply I. 

01:12:57
I mean, yeah, the account is joke, but there's a lot of people on here that are genuinely upset that one, there's not a two-way market offered, and two like, oh, these are terrible odds. Guess what? You don't have to bet the odds. 

01:13:11 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, my only my only argument for this and again, trying to remain unbiased, is like fanduel's very big on problem gaming. That's how they mark, and canada at least their is very big on problem gaming. That's how they, and Canada, at least their commercials are centered around problem gaming. 

01:13:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
What does this have anything to do with problem gaming? 

01:13:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, no, it's just they're putting out like horrific odds on a bet, promoting it heavily and assuming people are going to be betting into this at this very bad price. 

01:13:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Define promoting heavily I strongly disagree. 

01:13:40 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I don't even think that people are. I doubt there's that many people betting this. I think this is more of a social media play, exactly anything else it. 

01:13:46 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I listen. I again, second time this show. We'll keep a counter at some point. Consulted for sportsbooks before. Very likely scenario. What happened here is a social guy actually went to trading and said, hey, we, we want to capitalize on this, on social. Could we get some sort of odds up? They're like, yeah, we'll get some sort of odds up. There's probably like zero thought put into this other than we want to generate some buzz, which it obviously did. At this point, people aren't going and betting this and honestly, this sounds terrible for me to say but if you are dumb enough to bet these odds, I don't have any sympathy but if you are dumb enough to bet these odds, I don't have any sympathy. 

01:14:22
I don't care about these odds. 

01:14:23 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You're dumb enough to make this bet. I have no sympathy. 

01:14:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Peanut butter I think he nailed it like this is the right price for everything. This is not sure. Yes, this is not it. 

01:14:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
This is not it also like not the right price to tie up your money for. Even if there was the right price, you're now tying it up for an entire I just think there are a lot of bigger. 

01:14:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
this isn't the hill to die on. Not even to say joke is dying on it, and I actually love the usage of the authorities. The 33rd team sent out some quarterback ranking last week. I alerted the authorities. I actually think that's like a good low-hanging fruit. 

01:15:00 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually kind of do Kanish does it all the time to me. Whenever I tweet something about you know yeah, it is a good humorous thing to do. 

01:15:08 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I have also a different take on this. If you're a sharp bettor and the first reaction to this is to tweet something about this, I think that's the wrong way to go about it, because this is another prime opportunity where you can place a bet that will definitely square up your account. That, like you shouldn't be. You shouldn't even be complaining about it, just square up the account, you know what interesting you know you know it's not gonna win, but I'd rather bet like that has a chance. 

01:15:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like you know, I can bet an nfl. 

01:15:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know, anytime touchdown it is a good account. 

01:15:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Priming tech the whole point of squaring up an account is to make sure that when someone looks at it they think you're an idiot, and this is like an all-time if. If they see this, they're like this guy's probably right. 

01:15:42 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This could eliminate you from entering the sharp algo exactly like you just maybe it has a chance, but like listen I this is so many points against the sharp algo that maybe it can help. I don't believe they need to put up a no option. Well, I, I actually don't. 

01:15:58 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So no, I actually don't. But so for me I actually don't believe they need to put up a no option. 

01:16:01
Well, I do, I actually don't. No, I actually don't. So, for me, I actually don't. Okay, I actually do, but no, they don't. In the current market conditions they do not. This is my whole thing. Okay, I think Not this bet At a regulatory level. If you're offering a yes price, you should have to offer a no price. You're offering a yes price, you should have to offer a no. I believe that regulators should impose this on the sportsbooks. I think two-way markets because, honestly, like I I I'm not even going to mention sportsbooks or whatever, but some of the stuff I do see out there right now it kind of sucks that they can offer, like any time touchdown markets right with one side, and that one should have. 

01:16:35
No, I believe where do you draw the line? 

01:16:38 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
This? No, this is a gag. 

01:16:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It doesn't solve anything, this is a gag and you're worried. 

01:16:43 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Like to connect this I'm sorry, Jacob, To connect this to problem gambling. There's so many real things that need to get the problem gambling energy that this isn't it. There's so many things. 

01:16:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I wasn't tweeting about it. 

01:17:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
There's way worse than this yes, yeah I'm not tweeting, I'm just and a lot of these odds. Like you said, maybe it was a, but there's some of these books, rob's rob, that let you ask for a line on something, and they are just we don't do this, we're offering you a service. Now you're gonna like come at us for offering a service no one else is offering, even if it's the dumbest bet ever. 

01:17:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think, in this instance, I would agree with you, and I do agree. Offering a no on this does not solve anything. So, like the people are up in arms of like, offer a no, well, guess what? They're just gonna put a no price, like no one's gonna bet it doesn't make a difference. Do I think, though, that sportsbooks should be required to yes? Is it the sportsbooks fault that they're not offering a no? No, it's not because there's no regulations in place that say that they have to. This one in particular, though, man, like it really got me. I'm like. This is this is like old man yell that yells at clouds like the situation like what? 

01:18:02
what are you upset about here? There it's it's. It's a marketing tool. They're trying to get social engagement. This is not like you gotta go out and bet. There's nowhere where they're advertising this as being like a great price, great it's, it's just a marketing tool yeah, and I wonder, if they offered the no, if fezic would bet it I had to get. 

01:18:23 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I had to get the fezic reference and at least he would not only bet it, he would tweet that you tweet about it, yeah he would tweet that he bet it as well. 

01:18:29 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
uh, stealing place. We talked to alex caruso last week's show um dk underscore dfs on twitter says oh, alex caruso's picket is in the green now. Hmm, I wonder why he then posts direct screenshots from his paid Discord where he is giving out NBA props which match Alex Caruso's bets that are logged on picket exactly To a T. Two pages, two pages worth of props. 

01:18:59 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Does he have proof that Caruso's a subscriber to his Discord? 

01:19:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Does he need the proof? No, no, I'm just saying like. 

01:19:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Does he have even that smoking gun? Sorry? 

01:19:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
sorry To confirm, alex Caruso admitted to taking the plays on Twitter as well, not essentially apologizing, but saying like I just care about sending out winners. 

01:19:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Winners. 

01:19:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
However, sorry, just one, one extra caveat is that caruso sure? Yes, alex caruso is charging for these plays that dk dfs is giving out for free on on picket or whatever this, this app, is. 

01:19:33 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He's charging to give out these plays, correct? 

01:19:35 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
you have to pay to access alex caruso's bets. That's what I gathered from the conversation from dk dfs, even not knowing the full scope even not knowing the full scope of whether or not you have to pay for. 

01:19:47 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think this is one of the worst looks imaginable in the sports betting space when you have a following which is copying someone else's bet. It happened with Fezzik and Hitman one time and look at the blowback on that. This guy's taking every single play that someone else sends out and sending it out as their own, whether it's free or paid. It is scumbag move of the millennium. It's like a no don't like. At least credit, at least tweet. I found this guy. 

01:20:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He's sharp, he's on fire. I'm gonna ride. We ride or die with uh dk dfs for the next little bit. Yeah, and give him a pub 100 put air in this guy's tires if you are going um to do that. Yes, I listen, I um spoken like somebody who was lucky enough to go to university at the entry point of professors asking you to hand in digital copies. Yes, so the system wasn't like nearly as perfected as it is now. Um, you just got to be better at switching shit up. Yeah, okay. 

01:21:01
Okay, like you've got to be, you've got to put a little more effort, you got to go back to that university mindset as you're, you know, using friends papers. 

01:21:11 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Dude, at least play one opposite, one exact opposite to be like hey, listen, like I'm opposite you. This is the worst copycat ever. 

01:21:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
There's so many copycats out there. Sorry, it is the same. He literally just copied it. 

01:21:23 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He literally just copied everyone it literally it's honestly not bad one, at a worse price too it looks. 

01:21:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's pathetic. Is what? That's what I? 

01:21:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
that's what I you know. I know how caruso could get out of this all right, I'm, I'm all ears very interested. 

01:21:40 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
A bikini pick I'd forgive him. 

01:21:45 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, that gets worked on before. 

01:21:47 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I mean that that like listen, you get that in the pudding it works it does is in the pudding. It is a golden gun, the bikini pick, just you send it up there. It does not matter what you did. 

01:22:01 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's true what you said People absolve you of all crimes, all crimes With one bikini pic. 

01:22:06 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
And for all the hate that you're taking yeah, because I'm sure you'll still take heat for this the ratio will be like 30x more supportive of your bikini pic that the hate will get lost. Drowned out. Drowned out in the support so that is my suggestion for Caruso. 

01:22:25 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
You know how to do social media. Jeff has to consult for social media. Jeff you are in the wrong profession. 

01:22:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This right here is the right profession. 

01:22:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It really is. Moving on to AI articles Scott sent to me. This was a hashtag circle back. Thank you to those who hashtag this one because it might have fell under the radar here. Action Network HQ laying off all their employees, then deciding to have AI write their paywalled articles is certainly a choice, with a screenshot and the articles which are under the pro brand pay for brand action ai and then the editor. After the fact, I know ak used to work with him at the score great guy. Don't want to bring him into the mix here because it's probably not his fault. That's. This kind of stuff is happening. I, I get it. I get why it's happening. Businesses, there's a lot of overhead costs. 

01:23:21 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Why don't we show the? Could we put up the better collective stock price at the? 

01:23:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
moment. I know Well, listen, it's tough. It's tough for affiliates in the space right now. Affiliate revenue is coming down. They had to ax a lot of their staff and, frankly, listen, I use a lot of AI in regular day-to-day tasks. I advocate for a lot of AI services because I only have a limited amount of time and sometimes it will make my life easier on a lot of things. I'm actually not opposed to ai articles if it's a, a game preview or something like that paywall though, but the paywall really rubs me the wrong way. 

01:24:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I mean, I like a lot of people, I think on our end of this thing I've got multiple friends who lost their gigs, yep recently, yeah, so like it's just, it's an extra bit of stinging and I want to like blow my top here, but I haven't articulated it well, other than it is such a clusterfuck there right now at the top that it's just created such a mess. And they're still a mess as they restructure after pretty much axing such a percentage of their workforce that this is a byproduct of that. It's tougher, though. Back in the day, I could yell at individuals. When you get bought out by an overlord, yeah, I don't really know who to yell at, like I. I can't just yell at a corporation. Four years ago, when action pissed me off, there were specific people I could just yell at and call out by name, but I don't know that they're relative to this current clusterfuck. 

01:25:13 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So I'm just wondering whose fucking idea was it to obviously listen if you're going to ask, if that's your plan ask people and then create AI articles. Why are you making it so obvious that you did that? 

01:25:24 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, you have to, though, like I will at least give them credit that they put action. They could have easily said group of writers or something. 

01:25:32 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
So what's? 

01:25:32 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
AI providing? I mean, I guess, to be fair, what is AI providing within these articles? Well, all the AI is doing None of us are paywall subscribers to Action Network. I have no idea. 

01:25:42 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I actually am an Action Network paywall subscriber. I've never read one of these articles. Part of the reason I am is because I have to get access and this is true stuff. It's for work you subscribe to every percentages, just so that I can track versus other sites bet percentages as well, and also so that I can keep a database to eventually say like this is not working. 

01:26:02 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Yeah, this is not. This is not the petty robber, this is not. Yeah, petty rob will go to great like listen, I have disposable income. 

01:26:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I can throw money at whatever I want to. I'll give them credit for doing that. But all this this is, in essence, though, like when you think of ai at its core. This is almost like intellectual property theft, because if you're asking ai to write a jacksonville versus firman prediction, the ai is going to scour other jacksonville versus firman predictions behind paywall predictions. Well, on the internet, it's going through google and saying we think these are relevant, and then it's summarizing those but can it get pay like let's? 

01:26:46
I'm just curious I don't actually know the answer to that I. 

01:26:48 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
I would assume I listen. I'm not an expert on ai, but I would also assume they've probably trained this action AI model or whatever article writer on what articles they've written in the past. So what they've done essentially is train this AI. I don't know if this is true, but this is how I would assume it would work. They would train it on their own articles. See how the people who they just fired wrote and then write articles basically exactly like them. 

01:27:18 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Listen, it's just it. I just feels all types of wrong about it. It feels very wrong at the end of the day. Yeah, if you go to ai articles and people start dropping off of of action network pro or whatever, you just have to deal with the consequences, of course I don't know whether or not they will. 

01:27:28
There are so many people that are starved for pics out there yeah like, think about the people who truly subscribe to action network for the pro articles, like that user base right, yeah, that subscribes for pro articles. Do you think they give a fuck where the pic is actually coming from? Probably not. Do you think they're like, oh, like, greg Lio, dice, leo, deese, action AI, like do they care? Do they even notice this stuff? 

01:28:12 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
My question is is this. 

01:28:13 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Not that it makes it right, but is this just being done for the? 

01:28:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
lower grade, ncaa or like even their football write upsups, are getting AI assistance. I gotta dig deeper into this because on some level I'm not excusing it, yeah, but I guess there's like a certain percentage of. I mean, listen, every game is a money-making opportunity if there's a spread and, yeah, an edge. 

01:28:28 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, we've had, like, we've had internal conversation I talk with alex moretto about this all the time for the hammer, right, we don't, we don't pay writers anymore. We decided at one point, like seo is kind of dwindling, it's not the right avenue for the hammer. Um, content is king now. You produce good content. That's that's like your seo, um, essentially. But if we did want to get into writing, could we have ai articles, especially evergreen articles, right, what if it was just a topic about bankroll management? Can we get AI to do that? The reality is we can. We've experimented with all sorts of stuff, but at some point it just doesn't feel like right or authentic as a fit within the brand. Authentic as a fit within the brand. However, it is a low-cost way of generating content that helps you rank for specific keywords. A lot of these AI tools are very smart in how they structure the content, so I get it, but once you start charging people now, for that analysis. 

01:29:28
I have a real real problem with that analysis. Uh, I have a real real problem with that. Like that is it's not quite alex caruso stealing plays, but it's. 

01:29:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
It's serving up essentially shit scumbag vibes to people that are paying for it yeah yeah, it's dirt it is almost, at this point, like the, the sports gambling corporate, overlord aspect of it. Yes, because that's what action is. They're bought out by this huge parent company that's just trying to. It doesn't even give a shit about, they're just trying. I mean, it's a public company. Yeah, it's almost all you need to know. 

01:30:13 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Their goal is to maximize revenue, and that's it. 

01:30:16 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, that's it. And listen, I get it. I would argue as much, as I got a lot of friends, good people, really good at their jobs, that lost their situations recently because of their lack of corporate structuring or proper decision making or overpaying. Lack of corporate structuring or proper decision making, or overpaying, or I could list 10 reasons to just make fun of them, for they were very fat as well. Yep, yeah, like they were very fat. Like there were some sports that I follow, pay attention to. I'm like they have so many writers for it. Like that doesn't make, and listen, I enjoyed it. I was like, wow, um, like that operation got got heavy quick and then when, um, the uh, the quarterlies don't, don't go your way I get it listen. 

01:31:04 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
At the end of the day, I I don't want to make it like a full I listen if your business is not doing well. 

01:31:09 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Unfortunately, employees are sacrificed, that's just the sports better is not the priority at action network. It's just not like you don't need to. All you need to do is take your knowledge of being a consumer in any other market and apply it to sports. Be like, yeah, those people there, they're not looking out for me Like I would trust-. Well, I can say that very clearly that they're not Independent media is like sports gambling media would 100% want to be on your side more than Action Network. 

01:31:50 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I would agree with that. 

01:31:52
Let's move on to another brand, not Action Network this time Barstool. Former Bucks and Raiders head coach John Gruden signed a multi-year deal with Barstool Sports, by the way, fucking hilarious that Schefter tweeted this, which is funny. It's like breaking NFL news, but it's weird. It's like a content signing that schaefter is tweeting about. Um, I've I watched a lot of barstool content with gruden this week, so I'm pretty opinionated here on some of this stuff. I saw this immediately and I was excited. I'm like this is a very good fit I, I think. 

01:32:28 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
First of all, when I saw the tweet, I thought he got signed to like a team or something. I thought maybe he was back with the Raiders in like a consulting role. 

01:32:33 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know. It's like okay, I agree, schefter, your head's in a different direction reading Schefter tweet. 

01:32:38 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
But no, the content that they put out is absolutely my favorite piece of content. Cantina Barstool, the Barstool staff. It was just some great content. But I will say his football related Content that he was putting out. I don't think he reads injury reports or is aware of injury reports. 

01:33:00 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's okay, you're not following him for picks. 

01:33:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You're right, that's fair. He says that as well. I don't know what the spread is. 

01:33:08 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He doesn't have a vibe on that, it's just a totally different perspective and he's absolutely perfect. This is incredible for them. You have to have a very short memory, rob. Before he went back onto the sidelines to the Raiders, this guy was on a John Madden trajectory. That's the traj he was on. We were a bit older, but for the generation below us he was going to have that John Madden impact on the next generation of football. We didn't know John Madden as a football coach. No, never, not one moment, did I ever see John coach a football game. 

01:33:51 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
He was the video game close to it he was the video game guy. 

01:33:55 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
He was the guy talking to me on sundays in a big game. That was the trajectory he was on. Had he stayed in media? Yep, he was just put into perspective. He was good at it. Yes, yes yeah yeah, really good at it. The the Raiders made him the offer you can't refuse, and we all know the revision the internal emails. 

01:34:15 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
He got caught up in some shit which makes him so much better that he joined Barstool as well. 

01:34:19 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Well, it is. 

01:34:20 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Oh him and. 

01:34:20 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Goodell Like the fact that Portnoy and Gruden v Goodell Like that's legacy content. 

01:34:35 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Listen, I will say there's a lot of people who they can't let go of the past. Right, and I'm never going to like Gruden had some pretty harsh internal emails that came out. 

01:34:40 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You can't, but like I'm about second chances in life, I honestly am Especially when it comes to internal emails, to like your brother or your like 30 year best friend. Yeah, is a. I'm not condoning anything that was written a lot of it was abhorrent exactly, but it's not like he pulled a michael richards and said it at like a an event to other, whatever, to people right even then at some point. 

01:35:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Like you know, you come out after the fact and you just like listen, it was wrong or whatever. 

01:35:13 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
It was wrong, but I just am here for the good what's in. 

01:35:15 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Andy Reid's emails. 

01:35:17 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I have no idea. 

01:35:18 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
Look at the father. 

01:35:19 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
that man is what's in his emails Incredible coach. This is unfair of me to go down that route, but I just feel like you know. Yeah, you know. 

01:35:31 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I get it. 

01:35:31 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Andy Reid, the human has probably hurt more people than. 

01:35:34 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
John Gruden the human. I have no idea whether or not that's the case, but it's certainly entirely possible. 

01:35:39 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
There's actually numbers on Reid's side documented. Well sure, We've gone down to a dangerous route, duis and stuff like that. 

01:35:45 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'm sorry. 

01:35:46 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
No, no, no, I'm sorry, but I just think that there's. You're just looking over, you're just rose-colored glasses. 

01:35:54 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I think, well, you watch the guy talk. 

01:35:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He seems like a very down-to-earth person, like listen at the end of the day, have you not seen his TikToks, which got him this gig pretty much? 

01:36:03 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
They're good, they're funny, he's hilarious, he gets it, he gets it and at some point. 

01:36:08 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
It's just like fuck, the guy's made some mistakes, but I like this guy. He is entertaining. I think it's such a good signing by Barstool I will say they fucking worked him hard. 

01:36:18 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Oh yeah, he worked the car wash. He was doing that live watch along and he did not want to be there at that point. You're a star and you go through a day at ESPN You're doing 14. A day at like ESPN you're doing 14. 

01:36:30 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They call it, the car wash. That's my Mondays man. I'm not a star though, no, but I'm saying they put him through the car wash. 

01:36:37 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
You know this department, that department, this show, that show, whatever, I don't know. He seems like he's one of the guys you mentioned down to earth, dude, when he tried iced coffee for the first time. That is such incredible content when Jersey Jerry sniffed his cologne out. That's the sort of content like howling. 

01:36:59 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I find it howling in LOLs. 

01:37:01 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I don't know why I like that so much, but I just do Because it's real and it's authentic, and they're these two human beings that, even though, through all his success, john gruden has a whack packer element to him. That fits in fucking perfect, yeah and just think like I don't know. You're just trying to think like you can insert john gruden into any element of the barstool universe and it will, it will work it will. 

01:37:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I'll be looking forward to seeing a bunch of content from Barstool and Gruden Him talking about analytics and doing the nerd voice in his ear as he's trying Incredible. I would be lying to you if it didn't bother me in a little bit Sure, but that's what you're paying for. 

01:37:49 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
That's the other POV. There is so much pro analytics pov in our twitter ecosystem, in the content ecosystem, that I know it offends you. Yeah, but it's okay for there to be in a bit of a a different perspective. 

01:38:05 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
I would really, really love to see part of my take bring oz perlman, the mentalist, back and have him do stuff. On john gruden, I would fucking love to see that. I love those nfl ones he does. I think recently did a buffalo bills with eagles one as well. Crazy shit, crazy shit. From one gruden to another. It's gonna wrap our show today. 

01:38:24
This is a last minute edition. I'll tell you guys. I'm saturday night. I'm at. I'm in newark at the airport waiting for my flight to come home. I'm going through college football scores on my phone seeing how the day went. 

01:38:37
Then I go through Twitter and I see this one particular tweet and I don't want to turn this into a show of just like roasting people and ripping on people, but this tweet is all all encompassing of everything I hate about sports betting content creators. Jj gruden a second time he's going to be on the show at taking the 0.5 post. A picture from bet mgm social graphic carson beck, quarterback for georgia. His comparisons in the NFL ceiling Daniel Jones his floor is Will Levis. This is what the graphic that some guy at BetMGM put together. Jj Gruden tweets as well. Not sure if this is really real, but I took it seriously and I hammered Tennessee money line and plus eight the volunteers playing Georgia. Now I see this tweet and I hammered Tennessee money line and plus eight the Volunteers playing Georgia. 

01:39:31
Now I see this tweet and I'm looking at it and it came out and it says like 20 seconds ago, as I'm scrolling through Twitter and I'm like I just checked the score in this game and it's seven, nothing Tennessee, midway through the first quarter of this game. This is an abomination of a first of all, if you're taking some sort of social graphic and using that to inform your handicapping in any way, I got to say you're not cut out for the betting world. That's number one. Number two to then do that. But past post Tennessee is now up 7-0 in the game. 

01:40:07
Who cares? Do any of JJ Gruden's followers care that he now has money on the vols plus eight and money line when the game is midway through the first quarter? Guess what happened? Fucking karma happened in this game because georgia won and they covered the game and it's. I cannot stand past posting in by content creators, especially when it comes with the dumbest logic possible. I'm sorry, had to get it off my chest. It's my show, I can do what I want. I fucking hate this stuff hate it. 

01:40:39 - Jason Cooper (Co-host)
You encapsulated it perfectly. I honestly have nothing more to add other than this graphic. It might be the dumbest graphic I've ever seen, because will levis might be better than daniel jones and like how are we graphics are? 

01:40:48 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
so dumb, but understand. Like, just in your head right now, put yourself like Rob took JJ to task, but we go back because you know we were talking about the FanDuel and the Cavs thing 10 minutes ago. Like, put yourself in the headspace of like a 24, 25 year old social media intern at one of these companies. It is just like your head is going nonstop. You got to think of these dumb things. You literally might as well from BetMGM, tweet out is pizza good? Yes, no. 

01:41:24 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like I mean that. 

01:41:25 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
I mean it's that level of-. 

01:41:27 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
They're measured on engagement metrics. That's it. That's all they're looking for. This is all they're looking to do here is drive engagement. There's no one attaching their name to this, where they're going to call them out and be like, oh you're an idiot if you think this. They are just going to interact with the brand. That's going to grow your visibility on Twitter. This is the game. This is the game. So to use this to inform your bet, but also then to tweet the bet after the game is midway through the first quarter, Like come on and it loses still, I think the kids these days call this like the ultimate cell phone. 

01:42:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, Well, I don't know, not these days. Kids maybe 10 years ago. 

01:42:07 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
Yeah, I guess we don't. That was our heyday, boomers. 

01:42:11 - Geoff Fienberg (Co-host)
Yeah, just like on every level, you just expose yourself in a lot of ways here. A horrible look for JJ, a dumber look for JJ, a worse look for JJ than the kid who built the graphic. And the graphic is dumb, it's ass. It is almost as awesome. 

01:42:32 - Rob Pizzola (Co-host)
So yeah then, exactly well yeah, we'll end it on that this week. Circle back, episode seven as always, drop us a comment. If you're new here, consider subscribing to our channel. We put out an episode of these every single tuesday. Plus, we do interviews with guests across the industry, thursday 4 pm eastern time here on circles off. It's Dan Abrams how to approach sports betting from a mathematical perspective. You'll want to check that out, of course. Smash that like button on the way out the door as well. We're back next week with a brand new circle back. Enjoy your week, everyone. Peace.