00:00 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Coming up on this edition of Circle Back.
00:02 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
Knowing ball isn't knowing the rotation of your favorite team. It isn't knowing who gets the third down bat carries. Obviously, that stuff can have value and it can have use, but if you're talking about actually knowing ball, knowing the impact of what different things are going to happen, I think that has a substantially larger impact than people actually give credence to in sports betting.
00:22 - Storm Pig (Host)
Well, why did the guy only bet $1,500, right?
00:51 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
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01:22
A lot of hot takes feature on today's episode. We'll be discussing whether these hot takes are actually valid or whether they are really bad takes that you should completely ignore. And we have the normal crew for your Friday edition of Circleback here in the AM. Thank you so much for tuning in with us here today. I'm your host in Circleback. My name is Jacob Germania. I'm a producer and creator for the Hammer Bet betting derek. Down in the bottom left corner of the screen we have mike aka mr peanut. Better bottom right corner, we have joey kaneish, co-host on hit the books, which is our college football channel. Here at the hair bed, derek, and in the top right corner of the screen, we have storm pig once again not going to be clicking around for this episode. Have no, no fear, we're going to resolve the issue. We'll be nice and quiet today. Storm, how are you doing? Thanks for joining us today.
02:08 - Storm Pig (Host)
Not too bad guys. Hopefully feedback is a little better on this episode.
02:13 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Yes, absolutely For yours and for my sake as well. Producer, I'll be doing a better job for this one. But before we get started, I wouldn't be doing my job as producer and host without saying hey, if you enjoy the episode along the way, please make sure you do hit that like button. Also, for Circle Back content every Friday 8 am, just like this and our live show Monday 1 pm, along with bonus content on Wednesdays at 1, you got to be subscribed to Circle Back. Keep driving us upward in this content space. But without further ado, let's jump into the very first topic on the show today, which comes from Todd Furman, who says there is not a direct correlation between knowing sports and being a winning sports. Better Understanding math is actually a way more valuable skill set if your goal is to win long term.
02:58
There was a little bit of pushback that came from the community as a whole Go to Gambler 77. So they probably don't think this is true at all. The real issue is that 99% of people think they know sports but don't. Your ball of knowledge has to be top 1% to use it correctly. So Todd Furman fires back saying so knowing sports is more important than math to be a successful sports better. More people had their takes on this one. We have Statsational who said I've won a lot of money on sports I know little about, but the average sports better wants to hear why team a will beat team b, by someone who knows everything there is to know about every player and coach involved. Saying that knowing ball provides better content rather than just saying I have the numbers that would suggest I'm going to win more often than the market would think.
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We had corby who chimed in. He features on our hammer daily channel on Mondays talking about the college sports space as math greater than knowing ball debate. My two cents If your ball knowledge is better than the market, you're a ball knower and bet your opinion. But if your ball knowledge is weaker than the entire market, then bet with math, go steam chase. And finally, kirk Evans, who is a. You see all over the hair and bed there, including on this channel, on our Monday Circle Backs. If you believe this, it sadly means you just don't know ball. I want to go to you first, mike, because I saw you involved in this conversation. What's your take on the math versus ball knowledge debate?
04:17 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
What this, to me, comes down to is what people mean when they say knowing ball. Knowing ball isn't knowing the rotation of your favorite team. It isn't knowing who gets the third down bat carries. You know, in certain situations, Obviously that stuff can have value and it can have use. But if you're talking about actually knowing ball, knowing the impact of what different things are going to happen, I think that has a substantially larger impact than people actually uh, you know give credence to.
04:44
In sports betting, a lot of the stuff I do in my model is pretty basic math. Now, if you want to say, hey, you have to have some math involved, I would agree with that. I don't think that you can simply just subjectively look at you know whatever is happening in the game and matchups and be able to beat the predicting line. But when you're talking about if you want to build out a model that's able to be to project different things whether it's NBA player props, whether it's, you know, NBA straights, whether it's college football, NFL what you're really kind of getting down to is what matters the most in the sport, what impacts winning? Kind of the base roots of the sport, the first principles of the sport. Kind of the base roots of the sport, the first principles of the sport.
05:25
So a lot of people to me get confused with. All knowledge is not, you know, knowing back to the like, it's not knowing simple facts about each team involved. What ball knowledge is actually? Understanding the different impacts of different parts of the game and kind of how that impacts the score at large or impacts whatever you're betting. So depends by what you mean by ball knowledge. But to me this is just a simple misunderstanding of what it really means to quote, unquote no ball.
05:53 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
All right, interesting answer. Kanish, you want to weigh in on this you know.
05:57 - Joey Knish (Host)
I mean I've moved for some guys who aren't quantitated like quants whatsoever, just have a general understanding of you know, like what you would call like price sensitivity, uh, and I move for some people that, uh, you know we would call don't know ball, that are just strictly quantitative. I think the best people have somewhat of a mix of you know. You may consume a lot of the sport, you may know the intricacies of a lot of the sport. You might have information of a lot of the sport. You may know the intricacies of a lot of the sport. You might have information of a lot of the sport, but also mix that with a quantitative side of you know. You have some, like you know, modeling capacity in that sense. So you can do it either way. I think the best people that do it have elements of both or work in groups where that, you know, might you have one guy who's more informational at that, maybe one guy who's more informational with that, maybe one guy who's more quantitative, or the group of people so do, I think, probably lean towards. If you're just the quantitative math side of things, that's probably more important than the ball knowledge. Sure, but I think there's more than one way to skin a cat and a number of ways you can do it.
07:07
So, yeah, I wouldn't say, with that said though, it does make, for if we come out and hit the books every week and BP was just like I make this three and I make this six and that was it, you wouldn't have a lot of views. You know what I'm saying? Have a lot of views. You know what I'm saying. You're not not a lot of people. In terms of content consumability, you have to have the ball knowledge, the. You know the narrative street, those type of things, or nobody's gonna listen, nobody wants to get me. You know like rufus has come on. I've heard him like we've talked off air with some of the like he would come on like one of the shows that I would do on you better, you bet he would kind of say his number, that'd be it, and that's why it's like does anybody really want to hear that? So I think, from a content standpoint, yes, you got to have it from just betting Number of ways to do it.
07:54 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
I mean normally I'd agree with you, but we have Fluff on our Tuesday Best Bet show on the Forward Progress channel just giving out basically top down plays and he ended up losing nine in a row. But people still come in to watch. So I mean, maybe that's not the case. Maybe people do want to hear about stuff. Like you know, flop the top-downer on the show.
08:11 - Joey Knish (Host)
People have always seen Flop lose too, so don't discount that.
08:13 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
That's true. Maybe that's helping with the viewership Storm over to you on this topic. What's your say?
08:26 - Storm Pig (Host)
We're back to the sp, the spanky Andrew Luck debate, this week again. I see you know there's most successful. Let's put it this way that top, top, top echelon of guys betting sports are going to be good at betting. They're not going to be good at math. They're not going to be ball knowers. They're going to be good at scaling, networking, finding accounts. They'll find the people that know ball or the people that are good at math. But it's just like it's one of those debates where you're spinning your tires in the mud and we're back to the multiple ways to skin a cat.
08:57
Speaking from personal experience, obviously you know.
09:02
If you're going to ask me if I had to pick one or the other, I would say knowing ball is probably a little better and in the past five years the only thing I've bothered originating is spring training, right, and I would have pitchers the night before that were available, some of the traveling roster guys and then, before I forget the guy's name over at Circa who ruined the market for everybody, basically because they were just as good as we were at this, but essentially, ball knowing, the second lineup was released.
09:32
You would know. Ok, this, this is where the line relatively should be directionally. When you have such a short window to bet something, you're not going to sit there and say, say, oh, this is my fair number for the game, right, you're going to see the lineup for one or both teams and you know, your ball knowledge essentially is going to say, hey, this is the right side here and you're just going to go and bet it. So if I had to pick one, it would be ball knowledge, but it's just again. It's one of those things where everybody could make it work in their own way, and Todd is.
10:04 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
I don't know what Todd does at this point, but he's clearly, just like you know, going for engagement at this point, and this is one of those conversations that always seems to pull people out for engagement yeah, I see what he's saying, because even the people who do have outstanding ball odds, there is an element of math to knowing where, like to knowing the price is correct for the wager that you want to make. But for me it's kind of like I always picture this as like a bell curve, where at the start of the bell curve, at the bottom, you have the people who think that you need to know sports in order to win at sports betting. Then there's like the middle, the top of the bell curve, where you get to well, actually, you don't need to know anything about sports, you just just need to know the math side of it. Then you get to like the upper echelon of betters near the bottom of the other side of the bell curve who, once again, now knowing sports becomes a lot more relevant. And it kind of to what Storm is saying as well.
10:53
When you only have a certain amount of time to make a wager, you don't have time to run them all. You don't have time to run a simulation, potentially. So you do need to have that ball knowledge with you. So it definitely goes both ways. Mike, what do you want to say here?
11:05 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
I just think when you're building these models, at the end of the day you're building them based off of knowledge about the sport. So that's to me, like you know, if you're like Bill James, does Bill James do anything in all his? Like we're talking back in the day? Obviously, I don't know what Bill James is doing now, but, like, when he was thinking of these theories didn't have these. You know advanced math concepts, everything that you in this. Uh, his beginning of saber revolution was pretty basic stuff. What he understood was actually the core principles of the sport and what was important to winning. So I think that, like, when people think ball knowledge, they think it's these facts that you have to memorize about each team and knowing every little detail of the roster. When the truth is, ball knowledge is actually understanding what happens in the sport and kind of understanding it at a deeper level than just running back.
11:51 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Number two gets 35 carries this season, yada, yada and I think I think what a lot of people are also saying it's just like, like, like you're saying as well, as like people think they have ball knowledge but they don't quite understand what truly impacts winning or truly impacts some of the wagers that they're placing, like the knowledge is in the wrong spaces. So I think once you get to that other end of the bell curve, as I was describing, you know how to eliminate your biases and the certain things that don't factor in to the market that currently exists. So interesting conversation overall. Would love to hear any thoughts and opinions in the comments down below on the math versus ball knowledge debate and you know one of these shows like to feature comments, so get something good down below. Before we progress into our next topic, we're going to flip it over to Joey Canis. Tell us more about hit the books, joey.
12:39 - Joey Knish (Host)
Don't miss this show, the best college football show in the business Monday, friday, saturday, joey K and the godfather of CFB, brad Powers, coming to you live three days a week, plus the Saturday halftime show. Can't wait. Can't wait for the college football playoff conference championship weekend and all we got coming up. Join us this Friday, baby, 5 o'clock, as always live. Be there, we'll see you for the show.
13:12 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Yeah, so that's tonight at 5 pm. Eastern time for people watching on Friday, but they're Monday and Fridays at 5 pm, is it 1.30 or so on Saturdays for the halftime show, kanish? Yeah, and then, in particular, black Friday, november 28th, they're going to be doing a special show at 11 am rather than 5 pm as a result of the Thanksgiving period, so keep that in mind.
13:33 - Joey Knish (Host)
Unlike a lot of people at this company that take Thanksgiving off for two or three weeks, we'll be there Black Friday. As soon as you're getting home from the all-night shopping, come turn on, hit the Books and you might say whoa, the Hammer's doing a show within three weeks of holiday, on Black Friday.
13:51 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Yeah, that's crazy. You know what we're not doing next week? It's this show because we're giving the Americans Thanksgiving off. So here it is early. There's going to be no Circle Back next Friday because we record Thursday nights and it's Thanksgiving and we're going to be nice and Knips doesn't want to work through Thanksgiving, unlike he roasted all of us for in Canada when we had our Thanksgiving in October. So no show next week. There it is.
14:18 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
Notice you just called it Thanksgiving, not United States Thanksgiving, because it's the real Thanksgiving, so you know that it's just referred to as Thanksgiving.
14:27 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Sure, well, I'll let you have that one. I don't care for this debate right now, but let's keep the show moving. We go into our next topic, which is on the conversations of prediction markets and regulated markets in the space. And the Pauly market CEO actually went at the regulated sports books by suggesting that they're a scam. Jessica wellman, who does reporting on the sports betting space, wrote an article about it, saying suggesting the regulated sports betting system is shady and corrupt and the end product of the scam is certainly a choice. I'll read off a direct quote from the polymarket ceo who said if you look at all four of those products, they're all identical. None of them innovate. They all rip off the customer Respectfully. You can only trade against the house. They can ban you if you make money and they can profile you as a user and change the prices based on you. That's a scam. In traditional finance that's like a bucket shop. It's a scam. Those are illegal.
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Captain Jack Andrews weighed in. He's featured a lot on our Life of a Capper series here on the Circles of Channel, very well versed in the sports betting space. He says I mean he's right. Minus 110 is a scam. On consumers who don't understand math. Sgp is a scam for those who don't understand correlation. Limiting bettors is a scam on bettors who think they'll be allowed to win. He probably should add state regulators are the biggest scam artists. They line their products with the blood of their constituents, so really attacking the regulated space. We've had a lot of conversations like this, but Kanish will open with you on this one. How do you feel about it? Is it a scam? Do you feel like it's a scam the way regulated sports books are run?
16:02 - Joey Knish (Host)
I'm not going to say, you know, I wouldn't go that in terms of it's a scam.
16:07
I mean that's kind of been the classical like you go back in the annals of sports betting, that's kind of just the way it's always been.
16:16
So to say it's a regular, I mean minus one ten. Before all of the regulated sports books in this country were around, what was the standard line you would get it about? It's minus 110. So I agree with you that we're getting to a, a point in, uh, the market, or the point in just the general, like evolution of sports betting, where there's a bunch of opportunities where you don't have to pay minus 110 anymore, including as a partner at calci and a number of books out there like prediction markets and peer-to-peer trading and all that where if you're that price sensitive or you wanted it, you're not going to have to pay it. But will that? I guess the question which maybe I can refer back to the panel here would be do you think there'll be an adjustment of pricing at the regulated books due to pressure from the prediction market books or any of that? Do we think that places come off of minus 110 as the standard in the industry?
17:18 - Storm Pig (Host)
Oh no, I think they're going to go in the other direction. If they start losing business, we're going to get the same suits that just say oh, you know, look, we did the Vegas conversation a couple of weeks ago. Business is struggling, let's increase the prices, right. I think it's going to have an adverse effect. I don't think anybody's really smart enough to say, hey, you know, let's, let's go to 08 and we're going to crush it, right. And then look at the whole Circa conversation Right, everybody listen, they do a good job. They're great.
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But you know, for years we had people on Twitter arguing oh, they're going for the sharp bookmaker model. They're going to take over, they're going to have bigger market share. People care about pricing. Hasn't really been the case? You know? Nobody's really like been like oh, go play at Circo or everywhere else just because they're dealing 08 or they have lower holds in their futures markets or something. The average consumer doesn't really care. And I think the average suit in a boardroom if they say, hey, we're making less money this quarter, what is their response going to be Okay, let's make the guys pay more. Also, I'm pretty sure that. At least look at Illinois. They. The best thing that Captain Jack said was the biggest scammers are the state regulators. Here they keep increasing the tax rates and that kind of puts the book between a rock and a hard place. How could you operate a business and just continuously have your tax rate rise and keep your prices the same? It's a lose-lose situation for everybody involved. Basically.
19:00 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Mike, do you want to weigh in on this topic?
19:02 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
I do like that. He said respectfully, as he calls the entire business a scam. He says respectfully.
19:07
You guys are all scamming the public. I would push back on the minus 110 as a scam. I mean to me that's a small price to pay for adverse selection. And then also I would go with when he says SGP is a scam. For those who don't understand correlation, well then, understand correlation. I mean that's not the book's problem, uh, in order to do that. So I don't think that either of those two things are a scam. I will say also for the book uh, you know sounding like I'm forget sportsbook simp kirk we got rob, now is the new one. That uh kind of usurped him on last one, uh, but I would say you know not to stick up for him too much. But they are getting just taxed through the nose. They're paying more taxes than everybody else gets to come in prediction markets with a lower tax rate and then they're getting yelled at for overcharging the customers. I would kind of push back if I were them and say, hey, we're paying a higher tax rate than everyone.
19:58
Yes, we have to pay, you know yes, we are charging prices, but we are getting taxed through the nose Like of course we're going to have to charge more. So I don't think that they're necessarily. I mean, there are plenty of things that the books are doing. That is, you know, scammy. But I don't think kind of the pushbacks here, that fair, and I would say to call it a scam is a little bit. You know too much. As we start the winning thing, we can talk about that. That's you know too much. Uh, as we start the winning thing, we can talk about that. That's uh. You know a topic, maybe for another day. It's been talked about uh, endlessly on the show. But, um, yeah, I understand his perspective but I do like that he's coming at it respectfully yeah, and he's also, you know, promoting the product that they have a prediction market.
20:39 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
So maybe going a bit aggressively, get some more clicks, get some more eyes on it and maybe sway some people to jump ship and go to the prediction market space. The only time I really feel like regulated sportsbook but this is kind of the case for a lot of sportsbooks the only time I feel it's a scam is when a regulated sportsbook promotes winning as a selling point, like you can win big, you can do whatever on the sportsbook, and then they limit winners very aggressively. We'll touch on that a little bit later on in the show. That's the only time I feel like it's a bit scary. But the way it's been promoted these days we don't see that as often anymore. But the minus 110 on each side, it's the price of business. They have to run a business. They're providing you the opportunities to wager unless you win too much. But they can't just offer 50-50 on each side. But prediction markets can offer you 50-50 on each side in a lot of those equations they can offer you plus 100 on each side. They don't have to go to the big route like this. That's why we're probably presented by CalSheet and if you want to get involved in prediction market because there are some advantages to betting in the prediction market space, like we've talked about better prices can be available you can sign up to Kalshi with the links in the description or the QR code that is on screen right now. Once again, thank you so much, kalshi, for supporting this show. You can support the show as well by getting involved through our link and you can get maybe some great lines that you can't get anywhere else.
22:05
Now we're going to stay in the prediction market space because the next conversation comes from Dustin Guker, who posted, in case you missed it, last night DraftKings and Fandle are leaving the American gaming association as they move into prediction markets and then also mentioned I would read this more as the AGA and the biggest sports books are not aligned on prediction markets. Then DraftKings and FanDuel are now besties with Calchi and PolyMarket. So we talked a little bit about this last week. So I don't want to kind of re-exhaust the kind of conversation that we had last week, but I do want to kind of ask here do we feel like more sports books are going to take this route? More sports books excuse me are going to go towards the prediction market space and follow these giants in the space of DraftKings and Fandu. Let's start with Storm on this one. What do you think?
22:51 - Storm Pig (Host)
Yeah, the easiest answer here is Texas, california, florida. That's mainly what these guys are going after here. Is the market share there, because that's such a huge percentage of the population that they can't offer their traditional sportsbook services to um I galker has really been crushing it lately. He's kind of been the embodiment of the worst person you know. Made a great point meme um he. He's doing a really good job covering this stuff and his point here is saying that they're not aligned on prediction markets, rather than they fully agree with Calci and Polymarket. I just think it's one of those situations where they kind of waited a little too long, saw that somebody else came into the space, exploited a loophole and they were like you know what? It's not too late for us to join in on the fun here. So it really just comes down to those three states. If I had to guess you know I'm not 100% knowledgeable on this, but that's where the money is right those three states. What do you think on this?
23:59 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
one Mike.
24:02 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
Dog's a little bit upset at somebody coming by with a scooter, so uh, I'll have to remind him should we?
24:10 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
let's go to kadesh first.
24:10 - Joey Knish (Host)
Let's go to kadesh uh, you know, I'll say in I don't really think maybe I'll put it like this I'm not sure the weight of the American gaming association had in kind of its current Institute. I don't know, maybe I'll put it even even a little bit further If I think they had some weight. I don't think this whole tax thing that they were kind of silent on they're like. So to me, just from an AGA standpoint, I I don't really know how much power or anything that body of work really has anymore. So whether they're in it, whether they're not, I don't think so. And I agree they're trying to do in their spinoff prediction market things here with both of those. Don't blame them. But just in general I don't really think the American gaming association has a lot of juice anymore. I'll put it like that.
25:13 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
And over to you, Mike. We're good. We're good now.
25:17 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
As Storm said, california, texas, florida. You know California is a pretty big market. For those who are unaware, they have a pretty large GDP in that state and I think that all these sports books are sick of kind of allowing that to see to someone else In the time since we prepped this slide and kind of you know, the past few hours, fanatics actually is also joining the prediction market space. So, yeah, I think that also this is a sign of probably two companies that have been pretty on top of it from the beginning. They did the DFS stuff. They're not going to let somebody come in and take without adapting.
25:57
So I think that these sports books are pretty smart to be adapting to the times rather than trying to kind of they try to box the prediction markets out as long as they could. To me, this is a pretty clear sign that they said we can't box them out anymore, we might as well join, join the race. So I think that it's probably a good sign, honestly, for all prediction markets that they're even joining. You can say that it's tougher competition, but I think it just like, legally, it shows it's a pretty good you know canary in the coal mine that they think that this is going to last for a while and they're, you know, committed to it long term so, to answer my question to start, will more sports like follow?
26:31 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
the answer, I guess, is yes, because fanatics is also kind of jumping on this as well. So I imagine, if that's the case, more and more are soon to follow. So really something interesting to monitor. But we talked about draft kings with this segment. They are a main feature of this next segment as well.
26:47
Matthew berry, who does a sports analysis and sports content for who's done it for various networks in the past, he quote tweeted a tweet from Connor Allen which is featured on the Monday show and I recommend checking out that segment from the Monday show and the entire Monday show where we talked about it. But in short, he was upset that Caesar had void is an under longest field goal bet that he had in the Giants Packers game, because there was no field goals attempted at all in the game and other sports books were grading it as a win. He was upset that Caesars voided it. So to promote DraftKings, matthew Barry, as part of his network that's sponsored by DraftKings, he promotes them and he says on DraftKings, this bet is explicitly stated on the bet slip and in their house rules Connor, come play at DK. And definitely this tweet did not have the effect that he was hoping it would have. Maybe we can go to Kanish first on this one. Why do you think that was the case?
28:15 - Joey Knish (Host)
I, you know, I don't have. I don't know why he was just putting like DK on this, as, like the I don't know, it's a little bit ironic in terms of like, explicitly like, come play at DK for anybody that like plays there. Also, I know connor allen, you know my guy. Um, I kind of maybe, maybe I'm sick in the head. I kind of enjoy when some of these things happen. Uh, this is why this reminded me of like a plus ev analytics when he was going head to head with caesars. Um, and there's a part of me that I don't know why, I just like, I just like, I like I, I don't know, I find it entertaining, like, ah, caesar's is sticking it to him. So, uh, yep, sorry for old ca that he's uh getting a little bit under, but, um, I don't know. Another thing makes for great content uh, mike.
28:43 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Well, why do you think this one did not land the way matthew berry thought on this one?
28:48 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
uh, this is an ultimate case of you gotta. You know dog food, the product that you're supporting, and you got to be able to understand that either you know Matthew might not be using DK as much as he thinks, or maybe those bets he's given out on NBC aren't quite as good as everybody kind of thinks there. Yeah, I think that this is like the ultimate backfire of whenever books do this and they're like hey, come play here instead to a sharp, better, it almost always is going to get thrown right back in their face. Actually, I can't because of blah, blah, blah. So I think that, yeah, this is a tough look for Matthew that either he's not using the app or maybe you know those bets that he's given out on NBC 30 minutes before kick might not be quite as profitable as you think there.
29:33 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
So I think you covered it pretty well there. But, storm, do you want to add anything for this segment?
29:37 - Storm Pig (Host)
I'm just curious what the limit is on a fresh DraftKings account for the field goal over under.
29:45 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Yeah, I don't imagine Conard's going to get much down on a market like that, never mind a fresh account on this one. A longest field goal in the game under on DraftKings yeah, I feel like that's not going to satisfy the appetite for Conor Allen or for a lot of people who would see this tweet after Conor Allen's post. So, yeah, interesting there. Anything else there. Are we good to move on? All right, we're ready to move.
30:13
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30:52
We're going to stick to a DraftKings kind of post here, because Trevor Lacey's burner at Wolfpack Sports posted something that had a lot of people laughing. He posted a parlay that was VCU at NC State and it was NC State minus nine and a half on the alt spread and seven being the largest lead of the game. He said I'm so fried I did ask place to bet. That cannot hit. I thought I found the free money glitch.
31:19
A couple of reactions from the from the space. Sergeant Blackout at Cold Call Snipers said the bigger story here should be why DraftKings would let you bet something that you literally can't win. And Plus TV Analytics, who Kanish just mentioned, said it's grotesque that you literally can't win. And plus tv analytics, who can just mention, said it's grotesque, but I can't look away. So that was kind of my first thought as well, the first tweet here being it's interesting that they would even allow that to happen. Um, do you feel like there's a problem there, mike, or do you think that's more of like a natural selection type of thing where if you're dumb enough to place the bet, then it's kind of your fault?
31:54 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
So I believe, at least in Nevada, they have an obligation to not allow you to make a bet that cannot win. I think that allowing futures bets, for example, on people who are mathematically eliminated, is illegal in the state. My guess is that this is probably just a glitch in DK. That is illegal in the state. My guess is that this is probably just a glitch in DK. I have kind of how to phrase this. I have placed bets that would normally not be possible, that were in certain situations, and DK has told me that that wasn't allowed because the bet is not like. The bet can't win. Essentially is what they told me. And uh, in when I was trying to place it or when I was putting it in the bet ticker, um. So my guess is they tried to limit someone, um, and they didn't want this bet to go through, and it just was a glitch and there was a mistake on their end. I don't think that they intentionally are allowing people to place bets that they can't win with okay, kanish anything to add on this one?
32:51 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
have you ever placed a bet accidentally that cannot win?
32:55 - Joey Knish (Host)
you know I can't think of a scenario. I do agree it's more like prevalent in futures pool, pool pools, as pb was saying um to like take people out that can't win. In this scenario. I mean I had they're like come on. Well, I mean what the fuck are you doing? Like I love that you're like I mean the guy just like smoked. Come on, I mean what in the fuck are you doing? Like I love that you're like I mean the guy just like smoked himself and made a bet that like look. So to me, I don't know this one, I think it's fine. Like DK's probably in their defense in this realm. It's like you put it Like how stupid can you this isn't like we left somebody in the futures pool that you know it like exited the event or something. This is like you had to click a number of things to put together. How stupid this is.
33:38 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Over to you, storm. Do you think DraftKings would have voided this Like as kind of Mike maybe is alluding to? Do you think this would have just been kept and it would be a loss?
33:48 - Storm Pig (Host)
I'm curious to know right, I'll take a little bit of a different approach here when there is a scenario where a book free rolls a customer, right, you know where they void one side. I always want to know OK, well, did you void the other side? Right? If you voided a bunch of winning tickets, did you void the guys that lost? And a lot of times they'll collect on the losers and you know, pay on the winners Not speaking strictly legals here.
34:15
Just you know, based on my history of sports betting. So in a situation like this it is kind of disgusting that you can even place it and I'm sure it is, you know, a software glitch. It doesn't really seem predatory. But I would like to know, ok, somebody in DraftKings Trading, how many bets since you guys launched sports betting have you accepted like this? Have you voided the bets? Have you returned the money to the customers, the place bets that they couldn't win on? I just I wish it was one of those things where we figured out the conclusion of the story. I wonder if Wolfpack Sports, you know, if you message him and you're like, hey, did they? Did they avoid that and return your money, I'm curious what they would say. So it's one of those things where you don't have the full picture, but I would love to see the full picture of you know. Did they handle this fairly where both sides were treated correctly, rather than just free rolling somebody on one side of something?
35:12 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
correctly, rather than just free rolling somebody on one side of something. So I did. I went into his his account right now he actually did update the story and say they did void the leg, which I think was the right thing to do. Makes me think if there was like, if there was a glitch, was there something that was exploitable within this, or was it just only on like the negative side of?
35:24 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
things here. That's the type of thing. If you gotta have jacob, yeah, how can you?
35:29 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
you know I mean, yeah, if, if there's something like this which isn't like being used correctly on SGPs, there may be something else within the same market that isn't being correctly identified in the SGP market which may be kind of maybe I should have. Maybe that's the first thing I should know I should have noticed when I saw something like that. But they did at least they did the right thing there.
35:52 - Storm Pig (Host)
I'm super curious, you know, if you go back to day one of DraftKings launching in New Jersey or whatever, how many bets have they accepted and how much money have they made in a situation like this where they didn't void, where they essentially just robbed somebody?
36:05 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
yeah, I would imagine it's. It's happened. It's probably happened. I don't know for sure, but I would. I would think that's happened where somebody made a bet that can't win. What do you don't think somebody?
36:14 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
shoots a shot at the buzzer here and they're up. Seven. Time expires, they end up winning by nine. Does the bet then win largest?
36:23 - Storm Pig (Host)
oh yeah that was the thing we missed. There applies to this tweet where some of the worst tweets you'll ever see regarding sports betting, like guys that were like trying to say that the bet could actually win and then people arguing back and forth, and it was like it was basically like people trying to argue two plus two doesn't equal four. It was crazy.
36:43 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Yeah, I don't think if the game, if the score is different when the game ends which it would have been if there was like a buzzer beater three it still counts towards the game. Like if a three goes in after the buzzer on a buzzer beater, that still count towards any bets. So wouldn't apply there. It makes me think about there was a soccer game once where the final whistle went and then they reviewed a play, then had to bring all the players back for a penalty and then the player scored. Bruno Fernandes, for United scored back for a penalty and then the player scored uh, brutal fantasy night scored after the game had ended and they had to restart the game. And may night at one. I wonder if anybody tried to get into some, uh some customer service on some sports books to debate that one. I imagine some people did and just ended up complaining. Anyways, we can progress with the show or into the reading your comments section on the show. This would like to feature some of our favorite comments from the previous week. While you're down there, if you want to comment something for next week's show or actually it won't be next week's show in two weeks, don't worry, we'll come back. Comment something down below. While you're down there, hit the like button helps drive us up and YouTube algorithm only takes you a second to do. Make sure you're subscribed as well, if you're listening in rating and reviewing five stars to keep helping Circleback grow even further.
37:51
First one and there's only two comments I wanted to feature for today. First one comes from Brendany7043, says I'm not sure how it'll work, but one huge advantage of DraftKings and FanDuel could have in the prediction market would be if they can integrate your balance and account. So this is something I believe that they are going to have. They're going to have a separate app for their prediction market, at least for DraftKings, and I believe I've looked into it and that your account balance will remain from your Sportsbook account towards your prediction market account. I think it's similar to how it works for casino apps that are linked to your account as well, and I do believe that that gives them an upper hand. But, going through the rest of the comment, many people will try out the prediction market. They don't have to create a new account and deposit funds. I think that gave them a step up at launch of the sports book, because people already had DFS accounts. Storm, do you feel like this is a major advantage DraftKings and Vandal have here 100% agree.
38:46 - Storm Pig (Host)
That might be the best comment anybody's ever left on a hammer video. It's intelligent, it's's clear, it makes complete sense. Um, you see it. You know, if you accidentally click into DraftKings and you click over to the race book or the daily fantasy like your balance, I believe, shows between everything, huge leg up. One thing I'm curious about um, it's just like it's never clear. Okay, so say you're in New York and they don't have prediction markets here and you have 50K in your account and you go to LA for the weekend, can you just pull up your DraftKings and you have the same 50K available there because they now have prediction markets there? It's one of those things where how were we supposed to know? I guess you don't really know until they launch it. And also like, who makes the rules here? Who's allowed to do these things, who isn't, and do they treat everybody the same way? I guess we don't really know until we get there.
39:45 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
It's actually a good question, Mike Orkunich. What do you think?
39:54 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
If you were in New York and then you went to LA, would you have access to that when you wouldn't in New York? So I know that in Ohio at least, the Daily Fantasy, the DFS part, used to be separate from the Sportsbook side. I know because I one time went out and bought $5,000 worth of gift cards to deposit into the Sportsbook app. I bought this at an Ohio store. I go to deposit into the Sportsbook app. I bought this at an Ohio store. I go to deposit and they say, actually, you know what, in Ohio you can't deposit via gift card. I said, well, I didn't want to tell the person. You know I have $5,000 worth of these gift cards. So I was like you can't. They said, well, you can only deposit into the Daily Fantasy site if you're in the state of Ohio. But let me, for your problems, give you a $10 free promo card. So I got $10 in free promos. $5,000 I couldn't use and had to drive over to the state next to me so I could go deposit them into the sports book.
40:40 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Is that where you got that Ohio State sweater as well?
40:44 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
Yeah, so it was a real pain in the ass to deal with. So I don't know how much the prediction markets are going to be separate, how they're going to do it. I'm sure there's probably weird rules by state, like the example before. So I'm sure it will be super complicated, not make a lot of sense and be an administrative nightmare on the back end.
41:03 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Well, we talked about this on Monday and this this comment was made before that. On the Monday show we talked about CalSci partnering up with PrizePix for something similar, where, if you log into PrizePix, you'll now have access to CalSci markets and your PrizePix balance will already exist in the account. So maybe that's a pretty good way to combat it, but just taking away the barrier of entry and making a new account, which you could do simply with the link in the description, but taking away that barrier to entry makes it easier for people to get involved with prediction markets and I think it's a smart way to go about the business. Kanish, anything to add?
41:38 - Joey Knish (Host)
I agree with Storm. Like that comment was like mind blown, like, oh yeah, like the easiest way would just be to shuffle. I don't know if that'll be again. You said there might be some legal stuff depending on what state you're in, but when you have all of the market share in regulated books, if you can just kind of shift those balances over, to take that to me is like way more of a strategy than we're going to try and kind of like pump up and create our own brand in the market space where it can just be like oh, you want to do prediction markets, boom, just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You've moved your money over, so this guy should be in. Uh, brendan should be, you know, working for brandle at the top uh.
42:17 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Second comment to feature is from levi keller. 7916 says top down bettors are the coupon seniors of sports gambling. And there was another very negative comment towards top down bettors that I didn't feature. But uh, as the representation for top down bettors, now that fluff has gone on on the show, uh, all money's the same. I mean all the money's green, whether or not you're getting it from top down betting or originating. Um, it's kind of just like uh shoveling in a a shit goal in in the nhl where you get a just a dirty rebound. That's what it feels like. They all count the same, as you know daily through a couple of guys and putting a top corner. Do you see it the same way, mike?
42:57 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
No, they're the thieves of the sport or this industry that we've chosen. You know watching the board scraping by. That's why you know. That's why when we talk about who knows ball and stuff, there's one person you can quickly cross off the list and that's flop. So I of course not. Better it's all. All money isn't the same. There's no reason to lie to the people. It feels better to have money that's originated, not be a top down couponing feels better, but it's all the same.
43:22 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
I mean I'd feel better for scoring a really nice goal versus the shit goal, but I mean they still. They still count the same. Uh, kanish, what's your thought on this comment?
43:30 - Joey Knish (Host)
I mean, when I think coupons, you think cheap. But there's people doing top-down that are like making real serious money, like a lot of them. So well, I don't mind the dig. And I mean, as someone that you know dabbled in top-down himself, I don't mind the dig, but the coupon comp I can't get there because, yeah, there's some people that know that, you know, you that that got the whole coupon book from top down betting.
44:01 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
So I think it's like the. The coupon comparison is just like the people that are the promo ways to grind.
44:10 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
What's that? I think the promo chasers are the real, like coupon people. Yeah, great, yes, yes, because those people are grinding out the smallest you know thousand dollars a year, a thousand dollars there, and God bless them.
44:21 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
You know, I like that, I like that comparison a bit more. But Storm over to you. Final thoughts on this comment.
44:27 - Storm Pig (Host)
I think it's a skill issue comment, kind of like a telling on yourself sort of thing the best college basketball better in the world, couldn't you know back the ball knowing? Couldn't tell you the name of a single player. But if you speak to anybody that originates college basketball they'll know this guy and you know he basically backends everybody. He's handicapping the handicappers, he's top down betting and you'll have people complain that guy is so good at manipulating the screen that he'll get a better number on my own game than I can actually get when I bet it. So so trying to say that a top-down better is a coupon senior is definitely not. It Definitely a skill issue sort of thing. If you think that, okay.
45:09 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
I do want to say to Storm's point I think when people now think top-down, they think steam chasers and top-down betting is obviously so much bigger than that and so much more impressive than that. If you're actually good at top-down betting, the obviously so much bigger than that and so much more impressive than that. If you're actually good at top-down betting, the screen stealing kind of those guys like if you're odds jam clicking, whatever, there's a ceiling on that. When you're talking top-down, like actually good at top-down, calling steam chasers, top-down bettors is almost a disrespect to those guys. Okay.
45:39 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Good point. Final main topic on the show today. I've dubbed it a self report because that's pretty much what it seems to be from slightly plus ev. We've featured on the show consistently seems to be somebody who can win at betting but maybe reveals a little bit too much information with this tweet saying fando, let me bet these while dallas was kneeling, called it out on the live stream and it's some some Las Vegas spread numbers at plus 17 and a half that won because Dallas were kneeling at the clock and the game was finishing, but also featured within all of the bets. Here are the wager amounts and the bet ID, and it feels like this is just sending out a signal and a beacon to Fandul to come and take a look here. Storm, is that what you got out of this tweet as well?
46:25 - Storm Pig (Host)
well, why did the guy only bet 1500 bucks, right kind of another self-owned by posting his bet amounts? Um, I I won't mince words here court siding on the legals has been awful this football season. A lot of it is because of people like this tweeting stuff. You know too many people getting into it, people not being smart about trying to preserve an edge and you bet it wisely. So it's just frustrating to see stuff like this.
46:55
You know when, when people tell on themselves, go to the sports books, help them fix their flaws, that you only heard everybody. And if you look closely at the tickets, you know one was better 1108, one was better 1109. This was certainly up, you know, for at least a minute there. And all you're doing is anybody else who went and you know bet this on a really good account. You know, say somebody bet it for 30, 40, 50 K or whatever, and you put this out there. And you know these traders aren't stupid at these books. You know this might come across their desk and they're just going to go in and death limit every single account that bet this now all right, so not only ruining for yourself, but potentially for for others as well.
47:35 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Knish, what's your thought on this one?
47:38 - Joey Knish (Host)
yeah, yeah, you know what I used to get a little. There's just so many reasons out there now that it's hard to like really. Even this used to fire me up a few years ago, but it's so frequent now, like you see this so much, it almost like it just rolls off me now because, like there's so many idiots that would do something like this where, like, oh, look what I did it on the stream, I told everybody on the stream and then everybody on the stream gets limited. And maybe this guy doesn't get limited because he's such a fish that his account's down so much, uh, that he doesn't get limp. But yeah, I mean, I it's. There's nothing good that, like, if you're gonna execute a court side, a past post or any of that stuff, the last thing you want to do. The last thing is one bring it up on a live stream and to tweet the tickets with your bet ID in them. This is like next level and not even max bet it Right, right, right. And not even Max bet it Right, right, right.
48:51 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
And like so yeah, I'm like it's like he realized then a minute later that like wait, I should bet more on this because it's such a like it didn't even click to him the first time. There's actually a third bet you guys are missing, which doesn't have all the information but there was three separate bets that were made here.
49:00 - Joey Knish (Host)
There was three separate bets that were made here.
49:10 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
Yeah, this is like the parlay of slightly plus EV is like I guarantee negative in the fucking dirt EV because like this is so stupid.
49:14
So this guy posts pretty often on Twitter and, it's my understanding, he's a winning bettor with extremely limited accounts and is doing this. And, for the love of God, someone get this guy a fresh goddamn FanDuel so he can stop doing this. Not that I would ever suggest anyone P2 or multi-account, but can somebody just pull this kid aside and say listen, here is a different way for you to do this and not tweet it out to the world. So I think this guy has like pretty good stuff reasonably well, but just for some reason, is intent on tweeting it to the world instead of making money off of it like a normal person. I mean, I don't know. I think that this guy is the definition of somebody. Needs to help him scale to get him off Twitter so he can, you know, use his time and, let's say, resources more efficiently.
50:02 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
All right, Maybe some words to the wise finals. Final thing we do on the show is a chopping block of all the content we've done so far. So far is the main piece of content. We'll call the chopping block the dessert, the smaller pieces. At the end of the show and to open the chopping block, we had the return of foes in poker to LeBron James 10 plus points because LeBron James finally returned and made his NBA debut this season. He said if you're going to give me LeBron 10 points, I'm taking it for the max, I don't care. Quote unquote risking 9,700 to profit just under 1,000. Thanks for the free cash.
50:38
There were some other people that followed it up, like SGP underscore Parlay, who said ah, the good old Twitter where you can see people flexing their minus 1,000 bet. That cash seems to be a direct shot at Fozen. Fozen showed a screenshot of the same user posting in a DM that they were celebrating their minus 750 win. So SGP Parlay said I didn't know, sending a private DM was the same as posting it to all of my followers, which led to a little bit of a back and forth. And Fosun said you did it to run a fake giveaway. Just take your L because they posted it.
51:10
Lebron scores 15 plus points. Tonight I will give away a thousand US dollars. Shout out to Fosun Poker for the idea Money glitch. And then, to finalize, fosen said use the trend to run fake giveaway and give me credit now. Last of fosen saying he can't dunk on the people that were making fun of him and his dumb bet um fosen's back, it seems, and we've interviewed him on circles off. I highly recommend going to check out that video. We did about a month ago now. But you enjoy this return, mr peanut, better mike yeah, fosen's the best.
51:41 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
He's the one person you know. Him and Redacted Gambler are the two people I look up to the most on Twitter. He comes in, he owns Flup. He bets a shit ton on a LeBron bet that at this point, I think he pretty clearly knows isn't even plus EV anymore. He just does it in order to kind of get laughs in. So that's exactly how Twitter should be run, without giving a care in the world about the seriousness of it.
52:08 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
So A-plus on all accounts. All right, Kanish, and you your fan? No, God damn it. Well, Mr.
52:13 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
Responsible Gaming. Kanish here is worried about me. I'm going to move over.
52:17 - Joey Knish (Host)
I'm going to get out of here. No, I'm not a fan, more so just because we like to give each other shit on Twitter. So I okay, I'll put it like this I love rooting against him. This is like the blue horseshoe on steroids. This foes in like I'm like, and whenever he posts something, I'm the annoying thing though, man, and probably because LeBron was off the injury, but like he was doing that, it got so popular when he was doing this stupid shit last year they started posting LeBron 10 plus at like minus 5,000 and stuff like this. Then it resets and now it's back to like minus 750, and so the guy's back on his shit again. So hopefully, uh, hopefully it's shortly, or just please brought like I've been a LeBron stan my entire life, maybe somebody in a circle you'd be like yo brah, just just finish with eight tonight, please so.
53:10 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
So, by the way, uh, to to enhance this discussion lebron did get 10 points. He had a not a great game. He finished with 11 points. The the bet that sgp Parlay made was actually 15 plus points, which he did not hit, which was a losing bet. So Fosun made with a little bit of a sweat on that one. If anybody I mean everyone should know at this point LeBron has never had a game with less than 10 points. It's either that or there's a streak that's going back to like 2005. Do you think Stormy's ever, do you think we'll ever have a lebron game where he doesn't reach 10 points?
53:44 - Storm Pig (Host)
I mean, everybody's just betting on, like you know, an injury at this point, like an early game injury, I think it. I don't even think most people are treating this as like this is plus ev or this is minus ev. I think most people are turning it into content at this point, as we can see here. Um, so I just I love posing, like turning this into a like gambling twitter's moment of like this you. But, like you know, you'll see, like the girls that are like a guy, I'll comment like you're ugly and then they'll post, like some outrageously horny dm, that the guy sent them in private and this is like the betting version of it, so it's just awesome.
54:21 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
So, but I just confirmed LeBron, I think the streak is at least 1300 games now since January 6th 2007,. You have scored at least 10 points in every game. Hence why Ozen makes these bets and I mean we've talked about it extensively Part of the head, as much as he knows, it's a minus ev bet, part of any handicap this would be. They know about this streak and I I think lebron would have to, I think his legs would have to fall off for him to not like go down getting 10 plus points. Even if he's hurt, he's getting, he's getting his 10 plus points. I think that that's how I feel about it anyways.
54:56
Next one, two more on the chopping block. We have kev at nba with ke Says. Biggest thing I've noticed this season with NBA is books putting role player lines up the night before as opposed to either morning of or sometime within an hour of tip, making it a bit tougher for someone who bets only within half hour of tip. So we'll have to adjust a few things but, as is the theme this year, majority of bets been good, just finding ways to lose, and it's a quote tweet to their own tweet that says whole lot of betting this year has been testing, to say the least, and it's showcasing not a great amount of profit so far on the season. So it seems to me like there's a solution here. But uh, mike, uh, do you echo any of these sentiments? Do you have a solution for nba with kev? What do you think?
55:38 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
um, I would say that you know, if you are running into situations where your straight wagers, like that, aren't going as well or are kind of getting eaten up before you can get to them, I would try to expand into SGPs, different areas where maybe you can.
55:55
Either you know if they're putting these lines up ahead of time. You can kind of use that to benefit you in different ways with SGPs or kind of in different areas. So maybe, if I mean first of all I would say he's returning four and a half percent only an hour before tip, it isn't really that bad. I mean, maybe I'm telling myself there for not being able to get monster returns back on straight bets, but straight bets, you know, half an hour before tip. Four and a half percent, I don't know. I think that, uh, if you are running into areas where you're kind of bumping against the limits of what's available, then try to expand into different and newer markets would be my uh, you know, guidance or whatever so I don't know if this is just a case of, like he's betting right before tip just because he's trying to eliminate getting as much CLV, trying to kind of wear off the scent of being winning better.
56:45 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
So I don't know if that's the case. I mean I would say like if that's not the case and obviously just bet earlier. So I don't know what the motivation here is.
56:52 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
A lot of times those role players are kind of the best spots to bet is they put them like right before game. If they open them up, because you know it looks like it's right before the game and you still are getting fresh lines, when they put them up like beforehand, like he's talking about, they'll actually get bet into place and they're much, much more efficient. So you know, I don't think that the when the role players are released, like an hour before tip, I don't think that they close as efficiently as when they open up much earlier. Uh kish, any thoughts?
57:21 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
from you. I don't think that they close as efficiently as when they open up much earlier. Kanish, any thoughts from you? Nope, how about you.
57:29 - Storm Pig (Host)
Storm Seems that NBA, with Kev, is having his first moment of realizing that markets get more efficient over time.
57:44 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
You know, in the golden days of props, you know Kanish, remember when you could bet a hundred NFL props on a Sunday and then they started posting them on, you know, monday, tuesday, and things got harder.
57:50 - Storm Pig (Host)
So adapt and overcome, basically.
57:53 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
All right, and final thing, on the on the show for today. This is one that it was Mike who voted the yes on this one, so I'll kind of leave a few. But you enjoy the ben simmons parody that exists on calci. I don't know, maybe you've crossed on some bets with this user, but there's somebody who's role playing as ben simmons greg uh, aaron berg says there's a guy in calci who's up up to 1.6 million in profits and has a hilarious ben simmons parody profile. This guy rules, rules.
58:21 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
I'm sure you've seen this profile and you like it, mike yeah, I, I just think commitment to any bit, to have randomly that you're going to be Ben Simmons and to have him, you know, be atop the leaderboard really just cracks me up. The fact that it just says, you know, I can't shoot threes, the he's not giving in to the fact that Ben Simmons hasn't played basketball really in like meaningful way in three years. He doesn't care, he's going to stick with the bit and really commitment to any bit I respect. So I respect this guy, you know, just going with Ben Simmons for whatever reason and sticking with it.
58:52 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
Maybe you should have stuck to the true Mr Peanut Butter, the BoJack Horseman character with the persona who's this Mike guy that we see on our screen?
59:00 - Mr. Peanut Bettor (Host)
Never should have shown my face on camera.
59:04 - Jacob Gramenga (Host)
I'm sure there are people who genuinely believe that's the case who maybe have appeared on this show. I'm not sure. You guys let us know. But that'll do it for the show today. Thank you so much, everybody, for tuning into this edition of Circle Back. Reminder for the Friday crew. We are going to be off next week because we're going to give the Americans the Thanksgiving off. They like to clown us in Canada for taking Thanksgiving off, but they're going to get it off as well. So no show next Friday. But typically we have Circle Back every Monday at 1 pm with our live show and Friday 8 pm with the show you see right now. On Wednesdays we do bonus content at 1 pm Eastern Time. So plenty of content to keep entertained. Subscribe to Circles.
