00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
coming up in this episode of circle back in my opinion, jeff, and then, sorry, last point, last point here also.
00:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You want to show emotion? Great, show emotion. Don't act like you're a three-year-old kid running around at chucky cheese.
00:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Host)
Yeah, rory won the masters and he woke up the next day and like he's not feeling how he thought he would feel and he's got a pickle up his ass right now my god, the poor worker getting minimum wage who had to walk out to that car and get just unleashed.
00:34 - Kirk Evans (Host)
Yeah, not to go too tinfoil hat here, but like I'm not, I'm not sure how real any of this is disclaimer.
00:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
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01:30
Circle back here on the Circles Off channel. It's part of the Hammer Betting Network and it's presented by Underdog. This is the show where we cover the latest and trending stories from gambling Twitter. We had so many great stories that unfolded over the weekend it was hard to really get it all into one show, but it's exactly what we're going to be doing today on the show with the tuesday crew, myself, jacob gromenia, your host for, I guess, both of the shows at this current point. We also have rob is rapazola, pro better and ceo of the hammer. We have the bottom left, jeff feinberg of mayo media network and a blind squirrel who found two nuts, which we'll ask about in just a moment. Here we also have a seasoned NBA better in the bottom right, in Kirk Evans but yeah, blind squirrel found two nuts. Owen Three. Talk to us about that little tag under your name there, jeff.
02:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's trying to figure out where the hell that came from. What did I do? I don't know.
02:26 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I don't know.
02:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I thought you changed.
02:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
Change your tag before the show that's what it says underneath your name. Did somebody I don't know, I mean you liked.
02:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Host)
I don't know what that's referring to. I always love when the US Open goes to Oakmont and their image is a squirrel, and it's like a squirrel finding a nut. I always like to think which golfer is going to find the nut. I don't know, though. I don't know why that got changed. I don't know what that's actually about.
02:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
I didn't hit it with anybody. Do you record with anybody else on StreamYard?
03:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, do you do StreamYard with anyone else?
03:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Host)
I did a lot of work shows last week for the US Open, so I don't know.
03:13 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Somebody changed it, someone changed your caption and it stuck, which is great honestly, I've never touched it.
03:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
What a great open to the show that we have here today. As you can's reaction, I've never touched it. What a great opening to the show that we have here today. As you can tell, we're recording online. Once again, we kind of got screwed over by the delivery on some items. We had delays in the delivery, so I'll take the heat here. I said we'd be back in studio Monday. I had no control whatsoever of it, but I will still take the heat. I will make it happen for next week, though, unless again something does go very, very wrong.
03:45
But something went extraordinarily wrong, not once, but twice, for a well-known handicapper in the space. I'd say well-known. Well, it depends who you ask for, the right reason or the wrong reason and that was Alex Caruso. If you don't know Alex Caruso, it's not the NBA player, but shares picks online and shares what I think we would consider and I won't speak for him, but, like many, would consider this to be minus EV sort of content, not the sort of content that would likely aid you in winning in the long run. So he posted a full recap of a day of betting Rough day really Full MLB recap.
04:28
Here. He has seven bets, six of which were losers. Sickening to look at the whole I can't even read this. Sickening to hold. My L's Will continue to live in the lab until the big day comes tomorrow. Sorry to anyone who's tailed me Makes me sick losing, but doing everything I can to get out of this and go on a huge run, like the classic sort of handicap or dialogue. There I'm going to put in extra work, do everything I can, conveniently, though, as you noted, jeff, in this recap, that already wasn't very good.
05:00
It did not include the 60-unit loser that he had on under half a home run for Parker Meadows, who did hit a home run. He wagered 60 units to win 9.8 units and it lost. But that's just the start. That's only half of the story, because the next day he bet on under half a home run for Royce Lewis 26 units to win 4.8. And it lost again. We had CKPix23 share it saying he did it again. Fritobet said Buddy has turned into Bookie with Trent 86 units in two days, not even counting the other Ls which we noted in the first slide here. Devinsbookie as well said time to hang him up, brother. Let's go to you, jeff. Do you recall this tweet here?
05:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Host)
Do you recall posting this one here? One day, this will be a criminal act. No, if people like there's this whole thing, I'm sure it happens in every city. I saw it on the news or it came into my feed that someone panhandling in toronto was just like a ring of not actual homeless people right and they got all these spots. This is the same sort of thing. It's illegal. They've been arrested. It's a crime. One day, this will be a criminal offense. Until what?
06:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
for, like misleading customers, I don't know why it's.
06:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Host)
Why is it criminal to panhandle and then get picked up in a mercedes?
06:33 - Kirk Evans (Host)
well, I think the the best example is like financial advice. You can't just like give people financial advice if you're not a like whatever I don't know the exact terminology, but I would say similar to that of like. You can't like. People always say, like not financial advice when they're posting stocks, because you're not. That's not something that's allowed, but yeah, these tweets are. It's if, if this becomes illegal, these tweets will like be the front page on the legal documents of why it is illegal.
07:07
Like one pull up the first slide, like even though that this isn't the most egregious thing he does, the fact that it's just check marks and x's, without saying what he won or lost. Like like I I almost wish that he put perker perkeradows' no home run with an X and it's just like. It looks like it's a one unit loss, but actually it's a 60 unit loss. So, yeah, this guy's completely lost the plot. I didn't realize how bad it had gotten, but there's just so many good examples of like scummy behavior here, of like clearly he's trying to get a lot of units back by having a massive unit play on something that's really likely Like this is kind of why the unit system also is massively flawed, of risking 60 units to win 10. Right, risking 60 units to win 10, right on a minus 600 bet is just such egregious risk management that no one would ever do that in their wildest dreams. And if anyone listened like if anyone actually 60 units on this, I am really sorry.
08:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Host)
That is fucking crazy it does go under the radar a lot. That, like your unit size, is designed to be a percentage, a one percent, of your bank rule. So he lost more than half of his bank rule in this one single bet. And then your now new unit size, he would have wagered 26 units, so it's not an extra. So, like it's not an extra 26 percent on the original, it's now even less than before. So whatever he were to win back let's say if he were to do this again, which I imagine he would it wouldn't actually be winning the same amount back in terms of the amount of units won back compared to the six units that he lost originally.
08:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Guys, he didn't lose 86 units and nobody else lost 86 units because Alex Caruso is not a better Like, he's a performer. The props just happened to be bet slips and fake units like this is how all these guys do it like. I think kirk made a great point. Let's be clear. It's not the type of bets that make this clownish I know a lot of people are going in on like all minus 600. It's the complete lack of bankroll management. It's the fake transparency. It's the fact that Jeff caught him in the act like he didn't even include the 60 unit loss in his recap, like nobody would notice. You know people are debating whether links minus 600 on a prop can be plus EV. In theory it can, but that's missing. The bigger point like. The bigger point here is Alex Caruso is running a content strategy, not a betting strategy.
09:48
The goal isn't to make money through betting itself. It's to stir up engagement by doing something outrageous. This is WWE-level storytelling for the algorithm. You win, you win big, you brag about it. You lose big. Well, you go viral, you omit stuff from your record. You just hope nobody remembers and people fall for it. That like that's the entire strategy. I mean he lit 86 units on fire in 48 hours and he's gaining followers like that's where we're at in life. Right, if he ever tried to apply these you know strategies with real money, real limits, he'd be out of the game in a week. But but this is never about betting. It's building a brand off the illusion that you are, and that's what makes it sad to me, like it's. It's kind of just a a sad reflection.
