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[00:34] It's the end of the year. We have

[00:35] something very special for you on the

[00:37] circles of channel. We are going through

[00:39] the best of gambling Twitter for 2025 at

[00:42] this very very special edition of

[00:44] Circleback here on the circles of

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[00:47] network and this channel is proudly

[00:49] presented by KI. If you know, Circle

[00:51] Back from this year of content, it's the

[00:54] show where we go through the latest and

[00:55] greatest news that comes from gambling

[00:58] Twitter. And it is a wonder that this

[00:59] show isn't even a year old. It's almost

[01:01] a year old, which means we have nearly a

[01:03] full year of content to go through,

[01:05] which is why we had to assemble an

[01:07] absolute super team to join me, your

[01:09] host, Jacob Germena. I am a content

[01:12] creator and producer here at the Hammer

[01:13] Betting Network. And on the screen right

[01:15] now, we have CEO of the Heron Betting

[01:17] Network, Rob Pizzola, basketball

[01:19] originator, Kirk Evans,

[01:22] Anthony Joshua Backer, Mike aka Mr.

[01:25] Peanut Better, The Sophisticated Square,

[01:27] Jeff Fineberg, and co-host on Hit the

[01:30] Books, Joey Kesh. How is everyone

[01:32] feeling, Rob? Maybe we'll get a word

[01:34] from you here. It's amazing. Like, this

[01:36] show started, I think, in February,

[01:37] right after the Super Bowl. It's

[01:38] amazing. It hasn't even been a year yet

[01:40] on this channel on this show. I mean,

[01:42] working with Jeff and Kirk and you,

[01:44] Jake. Honestly, I would have thought

[01:45] this show started in 2018. It feels like

[01:48] forever. I can't I'm actually floored

[01:50] that we only started this show this

[01:51] year. So, uh I can't wait to look back

[01:54] at the We don't know what's coming. None

[01:55] of us know what's coming except for you,

[01:57] Jacob. And uh we had some beauties this

[01:59] year that uh I'm I'm I'm waiting to see

[02:02] what we got.

[02:03] >> So, how I've arranged this

[02:04] >> Jacob was saying that he was amazed it's

[02:06] only been a year. I thought he was

[02:06] saying it was it's amazing we haven't

[02:08] been sued yet. It's amazing this lasted

[02:11] a full year.

[02:12] >> That's true. There's been there's

[02:13] perhaps been some attempts behind the

[02:14] scenes, but nothing concrete as of yet.

[02:17] Uh maybe some might come up because of

[02:19] this show and if someone features more

[02:21] than once on the show, but how I've

[02:22] divided I've just gone month by month.

[02:24] I've been saving up content throughout

[02:26] the year. I've gone through my master

[02:28] list. I've trimmed it down as much as I

[02:30] can. We're going month by month for the

[02:31] best content starting in February

[02:33] because that is when the show actually

[02:35] began. A little bit of an appetizer. Not

[02:37] going too deep, but I really liked this

[02:39] one and laughed looking bad at it. Back

[02:40] at it, but it was SGP Vic big board bets

[02:44] talking about how it takes zero sports

[02:46] knowledge and zero skill to do straight

[02:48] bets. As I've shown in the past when I

[02:50] flipped a coin on 10 games and won eight

[02:52] out of 10. Obviously, everyone doesn't

[02:54] feel the same way and that's totally

[02:56] fine. But to me, taking a bunch of plays

[02:58] and parlaying them into something crazy

[03:01] is more of an art that takes skill. And

[03:04] there was a good conversation brewing in

[03:06] the replies that was brought up at the

[03:07] time by DK_DFS

[03:10] saying, "This app is truly the gift that

[03:12] keeps on giving." We had Daniel who

[03:14] replied and said, "There's no benefit of

[03:16] straight betting unless your unit size

[03:18] can actually make you money." So,

[03:19] anything above $250 unit size is worth

[03:22] it. It's a complete waste of time to

[03:24] straight bet $25 while sweating a 2hour

[03:27] rigged game for $22 back. Just Door Dash

[03:31] at that point. Sergio said, "100%, bro.

[03:34] That logic of you to bet straight bets

[03:37] as real gambling is ridiculous. Like you

[03:39] said, it doesn't take much talent to

[03:41] take a minus 150 favorite to win. Like

[03:44] no [ __ ] lol." But put together a parlay

[03:48] and it wins takes research, knowledge,

[03:51] and skill. So, um, who wants to have a

[03:54] first crack? I mean, how about the

[03:55] Anthony Joshua backer? Mike, uh, you

[03:58] laid like a minus a thousand. I mean,

[04:00] that took no skill whatsoever.

[04:03] >> It's like they're so close to finding

[04:05] out the point here and they're just so

[04:07] far away. Not understanding variance in

[04:10] any way that they're like, "Oh, it's

[04:11] just luck. It's complete variance. Uh,

[04:14] you can flip a coin." And then using

[04:16] these SGPS is the reason that that's

[04:18] what it actually takes skill. And then

[04:20] also saying, "Well, if you only have $25

[04:23] to bet, there's no point. Like, there's

[04:25] a reason you have $25 to bet here. It's

[04:27] because you don't understand what's

[04:29] going on here." So SGP Vic is a bit of a

[04:31] favorite of mine. I love uh the term

[04:33] water it down. So I it was great that he

[04:36] got to start the year off.

[04:37] >> Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I think

[04:39] I think SGP Vic has had the most like

[04:43] headscratching tweets of the year. If I

[04:45] had to single out one, but he he's so

[04:47] confident in the way that he tweets as

[04:49] well. Like all of this is right. That's

[04:51] what really gets me about a lot of the

[04:52] guys on gambling Twitter who are just

[04:54] like so confident that their opinion is

[04:56] right. It's like yeah, why bet

[04:58] straights? Especially these guys who

[04:59] just like live in the SGP world where

[05:01] they won one huge one in the past at

[05:04] like a massive price on the biggest

[05:06] fluke ever and they've convinced

[05:07] themselves that like this is this is the

[05:09] way you you need to be skilled rather

[05:12] than realizing that they hit a lottery

[05:14] ticket. It's nuts.

[05:16] >> I have a couple more here from this

[05:18] conversation. If straight bets take zero

[05:20] knowledge and skill, then how the [ __ ]

[05:21] does combining those same straight bets

[05:23] into a parlay magically transform the

[05:26] plays into an art that requires skill?

[05:28] The reply from SGP Vicqua, it's not

[05:30] those same straight bets to actually

[05:32] take players to specifically do

[05:34] something takes skill beyond saying a

[05:36] team will win or lose. Maybe not

[05:37] understanding that you could actually

[05:39] bet on player props on their own. I did

[05:41] it for three days straight. Do you

[05:43] really think looking at tonight's game

[05:44] and just saying Lakers minus 12 and a

[05:46] half takes any skill? because I bet the

[05:48] same person has two accounts will say

[05:50] Charlotte plus 12 and a half on the

[05:52] other that this goes back to the old

[05:54] days when people would call in for their

[05:56] bets. U Jeff Kesh either of you does

[05:59] this go back to the days when you'd call

[06:01] in for bets like it was just so easy

[06:03] back in the day wasn't it?

[06:04] >> Give me give me you first.

[06:06] >> I honestly I don't really have any

[06:08] followup here. The the thread sort of

[06:11] you know they keep digging their their

[06:13] own brain is peanut

[06:16] >> good. I didn't have [ __ ] either. Yeah, a

[06:18] better set. Dave,

[06:19] >> that was my I was pretending to be

[06:21] courteous, but I didn't have anything

[06:22] good.

[06:22] >> Yeah, they sort of exposed themselves.

[06:25] >> I'm sure you'll have plenty of takes

[06:27] throughout the rest of the show. So, we

[06:28] can move on to the next segment here. Uh

[06:31] I didn't want to make this first cuz I

[06:33] didn't want the hard the hard hitter

[06:34] going first here. But back in February

[06:37] when the L spaces were really started to

[06:38] take off, there was a very interesting

[06:40] debate that took place with Steve Fezic.

[06:43] Um this is a quote that was brought by

[06:46] man of the vig at vig police who says uh

[06:48] the point is if GRP wins find someone

[06:51] attractive that is 17 it is no big deal

[06:54] in my opinion that is per FezIC at

[06:56] Fezsix sports um got a hashtag circle

[06:59] back elf even added on saying quote I do

[07:01] find some 17year-olds attractive and I

[07:04] would never talk to them in that manner

[07:06] and then later in the clip he says it's

[07:08] very rare I would find someone under 18

[07:10] attractive but there are exceptions

[07:12] that's coming from Steve Fezic. There's

[07:14] the audio clip as well that was posted

[07:17] with this one on Twitter. And I really

[07:18] love the replies that came from it

[07:20] because Sharp Clark said, "Feedsic is

[07:22] good at math, but it's too bad nobody

[07:23] taught him the half your age plus seven

[07:25] rule." And and Mike, you you you quoted

[07:27] this and said, "I do think he's a sharp

[07:29] guy." Meme really is reaching the next

[07:31] level. And then you added on the photo

[07:33] from that Conan podcast where it was

[07:35] about Jeffrey Rebstein, like the Wall

[07:38] Street guy, and you said Steve Fezic,

[07:41] the pixeller. Uh Andy Moler showcased a

[07:44] blackjack hand of seven and 10 saying

[07:46] I'm catching up on the gambling Twitter

[07:47] spaces. Uh GRP Fezic, do you hit or

[07:50] stand on this? And the last one from

[07:52] deep value better to speak in terms FZ

[07:54] can understand the difference between 17

[07:56] and a half and 18 is like plus two and a

[07:58] half and three close in distance but

[08:00] meaningful difference. So really like I

[08:03] think the replies are really the stars

[08:05] there. But man, looking back on that, I

[08:07] can't believe that was all the way back

[08:09] in February. Who wants the first crack

[08:10] on this this tough?

[08:11] >> What a what a perfect day for this to

[08:14] come out. Has anyone checked the files

[08:16] for

[08:16] >> Fez?

[08:20] >> Maybe they were blocked out in the

[08:21] photos. We don't want to reveal them.

[08:23] >> You know what was really crazy about

[08:25] that time is that that that was probably

[08:27] like not even top 20 crazy things that

[08:29] happened on spaces over the course of

[08:31] three months. Like every single night it

[08:34] got more and more absurd. I forgot that

[08:36] even existed because it just like blew

[08:38] over the next day because something

[08:40] equally more insane happened like the

[08:42] next night like show era feels like it

[08:45] was 10 years ago not like eight months

[08:48] ago like like I I can't believe this was

[08:51] even that recent people say time FL no

[08:53] that feels like it was like in a

[08:55] different lifetime ago

[08:56] >> but you know what it's we say that like

[08:58] it's p the spaces era still exists we

[09:01] just we just don't take part in it

[09:03] anymore

[09:03] >> but do you think you'll take part in it

[09:05] like when football season's over again.

[09:08] >> I can't I cannot

[09:11] >> Yeah, I think it's I see no way that I'm

[09:14] taking part in it. But it brought out

[09:17] some like disgusting behavior in me last

[09:20] year. Like some people like I'd just be

[09:22] like putting my kid to bed like lying in

[09:25] bed with her trying to get her to sleep

[09:27] and I would see someone pop in there and

[09:30] I would like bolt. I'd put my boots on,

[09:33] my jacket on. I'd like go to the garage

[09:35] and I would like chain smoke the drama.

[09:38] I It was like It was It brought out the

[09:41] worst in me in just like how I would my

[09:44] listening habits. I mean, it

[09:46] >> I was up till 3:00 a.m. every single

[09:48] night just like had this I I be watching

[09:52] TV and listening at the It's impossible

[09:54] to do accomplish that at the same time.

[09:56] You're not absorbing anything, but then

[09:57] all of a sudden someone's name gets

[09:59] brought up. Those were crazy times for

[10:01] sure.

[10:02] >> Yeah, a lot of content from the show

[10:04] came from that. But this next piece of

[10:05] content didn't come from the spaces.

[10:07] This is this is one I think Jeff is

[10:09] going to remember quite fondly. It is of

[10:11] course at Vegas T-Bone. Uh I think he

[10:14] got into a car accident and he was in an

[10:16] ambulance. But while he was in the

[10:18] ambulance, he took a video of himself

[10:20] flexing his Rolex saying Rolex can take

[10:23] licking but keeps on tinking ticking.

[10:26] Thanks at Steve will do it. who I

[10:28] believe gave him the Rolex. But this is

[10:30] one that comes up a every month or so. I

[10:33] think this one gets brought up. What an

[10:34] absolute classic. Jeff, uh what what you

[10:36] what are you so fond of with this one?

[10:38] >> It's one of my favorite tweets or

[10:40] sequences of the year. I mean, thank God

[10:43] T-Bone is okay. And that allows there to

[10:46] be a humor element. Without that, you

[10:49] know, it's sort of a completely

[10:50] different conversation and potentially a

[10:53] morbid one. But he flips his car. Uh,

[10:57] correct me if I'm wrong, like into a

[10:58] creek, into a riverbed. That's what,

[11:01] >> you know, on a curvy, you know, very

[11:04] dark mountain road, like an incredibly

[11:06] scary situation. And his send off to let

[11:10] us know, you know, to make contact with

[11:13] the world is to let us know the Rolex is

[11:16] still rocking from the back of an

[11:18] ambulance. The show almost exists for

[11:22] these sorts of tweets. Like it's tweets

[11:24] like this as to why I think like sure

[11:27] there's hardened probed air debating but

[11:31] that is the reason to me that this show

[11:34] um exists because as I often say I can't

[11:38] like talk to my friends in real life

[11:41] with real jobs about T-Bone but Rob

[11:45] created a likeminded space where we

[11:47] could get together and discuss something

[11:50] like this. Yeah, very accurate way to

[11:53] describe that.

[11:54] >> Yeah, I don't have much more to

[11:56] obviously I've beefed with T-Bone over

[11:58] the course of the year right now, so I

[12:00] don't want to go in go in too deep, but

[12:03] honestly, I can't imagine what's got to

[12:05] be going through your mind to be like

[12:07] your life is flashing before your eyes.

[12:09] You know, you go off like a a [ __ ]

[12:12] like it like you're off the road, you're

[12:14] into a creek, like you gota

[12:18] medics come, they're trying to save you,

[12:19] like pull you out of the water, and

[12:20] you're like in the back of the

[12:21] ambulance. Like, I got to tweet that my

[12:24] Rolex is still good.

[12:26] >> Before you call family, you tweet.

[12:29] >> They don't even know if you're okay, but

[12:30] they they're like, "Oh, thank God about

[12:33] his Rolex." At least the Rolex

[12:34] >> the Rolex that he was given by a uh an

[12:38] influencer in a crash that

[12:43] >> I how

[12:46] I know what you're getting AT.

[12:47] >> I I KNOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BEATING

[12:49] around here, Joey. That maybe alleged

[12:52] substances could have been at play. that

[12:54] I would have laid Anthony Joshua Prices

[12:57] that he was intoxicated, but somehow

[13:01] apparently did not get arrested for DUI

[13:04] in that crash.

[13:05] >> Then he must have been okay.

[13:07] >> I must be right. I guess I guess he must

[13:09] have been

[13:10] >> Yeah, I don't know. having had a couple

[13:12] real life interactions with T-Bone like

[13:14] this probably 15 years ago um in Vegas,

[13:19] he seems to be like a guy despite how

[13:22] like crazy he is and he has his like

[13:25] niche angles that he can crush. He seems

[13:27] to be a guy that like

[13:30] knows when he like gives her in the

[13:33] right circumstances. I don't know if I'm

[13:35] making any sense, but like he plays

[13:37] hard, but I like he seemed like I he

[13:40] obviously wasn't drinking. He would have

[13:42] been on the hospital gurnie with a

[13:44] handcuff, I assume.

[13:45] >> I would agree with you.

[13:46] >> True.

[13:47] >> Do you think they could get the handcuff

[13:48] around the rolly?

[13:50] That's why I wasn't arrested.

[13:53] Uh, also in February, I think this is

[13:55] the last piece that we have from

[13:56] February is actually Amanda Vance, who

[13:58] made her debut on Twitter in February.

[14:01] And it was kind of like something that

[14:03] just escaped the gambling Twitter sphere

[14:05] because this was a person who became

[14:07] very big on Instagram, decided to bring

[14:09] that over to Twitter and people did not

[14:12] really like it. Here she is in the

[14:14] initial tweet. This was my first time

[14:16] ever seeing anything by Amanda Vance.

[14:18] Amanda wins essentially defending her

[14:21] pig selling service when people made

[14:22] very strong claims that it's not

[14:25] actually a winning service. If you went

[14:27] to the website, you could see that the

[14:28] picss were given out pretty much right

[14:30] at post in some of the most efficient

[14:31] markets. So noon, which is an hour

[14:34] before the NFL slate begins, or 5:00

[14:36] p.m., which is usually an hour or two

[14:38] before the NBA slate begins or NHL slate

[14:40] begins. So there was there was question

[14:42] marks about the validity of how much was

[14:44] actually being won here. I actually

[14:47] reached out to uh the people behind the

[14:50] website asking for some sort of tracking

[14:51] to give me some verification before I

[14:53] make a purchase. They denied to provide

[14:56] me such tracking until I actually bought

[14:58] one of the the pick packages. So I I

[15:00] guess there's no actual confirmation of

[15:02] whether these picks are winning or

[15:03] losing. But we can make our own

[15:04] deductions I think and inferences to say

[15:07] with not certainty but with some

[15:09] confidence if these picks are actually

[15:11] winning or not. And to provide some

[15:13] additional kind of backing to the

[15:15] website. It's alleged by Spinfluencer

[15:17] here that there was some fake reviews on

[15:20] the website to help drive sales. So,

[15:22] there was a lot of shady behavior going

[15:24] here, but it was it was quite a year of

[15:25] content that came with Amanda Vent. But,

[15:28] it is pretty remarkable, Rob, that the

[15:30] journey only began in February.

[15:32] >> You know, I will say this, I look back

[15:33] on it now and I'm like ashamed I spent

[15:36] as much time as I did being angry about

[15:38] this. I like my my my belief I don't

[15:42] think I don't get happy when people get

[15:44] screwed over by pix sellers or anything

[15:46] like that but at some point you just got

[15:48] to be like it's very obvious you know

[15:51] that you shouldn't be buying this

[15:52] person's pics and if you can't figure

[15:54] that out like maybe you at some point

[15:57] you got to own it but it's so old news

[16:00] I'm done with Amanda Vance it's all Emma

[16:01] Vance now that's all I care about

[16:03] Amanda's out the window

[16:05] >> I was going to derail us with some I I

[16:07] feel like we haven't discussed the

[16:09] what's her name? Emma Vance.

[16:11] >> Emma Vance. Yeah, she's uh Have we that

[16:14] Emma Vance posted that Giannis demanded

[16:17] a trade sponsored by Poly Market?

[16:19] Everyone's like, "This is obviously

[16:21] fake." And then Shams reported it like

[16:23] 36 hours later. Have we investigated

[16:26] that at all? She reminds me, do you

[16:28] remember during the Kawaii thing, there

[16:30] was that guy who said he had the sources

[16:32] and then he was like uh he reported that

[16:33] he was going to the Lakers. He's like

[16:35] there's a material change in uh outcomes

[16:38] or whatever. And he had like a brief run

[16:40] in the sun where everyone was like does

[16:42] he have sources? This is uh like uh the

[16:45] you know next version of that.

[16:47] >> Yes.

[16:50] >> He's taking a lot of shots.

[16:51] >> There was

[16:52] >> actually I guess I haven't seen it.

[16:54] >> Right.

[16:55] is giving this some validity when there

[16:58] WAS RUMORS GOING AROUND ALL WEEK THAT

[17:00] that and she just repackaged it with a

[17:03] photo of herself.

[17:04] >> She was first. She was all right. She

[17:06] put on a blazer and hired some security

[17:10] to walk behind her and uh now we've got

[17:13] it like breaking news coming out of that

[17:14] account all the time.

[17:15] >> I'll give them this. the Vance sisters,

[17:18] you wouldn't think there's much going on

[17:20] up here for either one. But in terms of

[17:23] content, uh, rage baiting, aggregation,

[17:26] and that, they're actually not too bad

[17:30] because you love to hate them and it

[17:33] gets it it it gets people just random

[17:36] people. I mean, she's doing the whole

[17:37] like, you know, like faking the like the

[17:40] Evans whatever the the NBA Evansburgger

[17:42] stuff that just makes up fake stuff and

[17:44] gets a bunch of traction. She like took

[17:47] that playbook and was like, "Oh, I'm I'm

[17:48] way better looking than him now. I'm

[17:50] doing it." The Vance sisters uh Yeah,

[17:52] they they they they got some skills in

[17:55] terms of the maybe not sell maybe not

[17:58] their picks, but

[18:00] selling content. They uh they know.

[18:02] >> You nailed it. You nailed it, my man.

[18:03] There was one recently where Amanda

[18:05] Vance was flying first class and she's

[18:06] like, "There's no TV." I'm like, "It's

[18:08] in your [ __ ] seat." Like, "Everyone

[18:10] knows that. It's in the it's in it's

[18:12] there." you know that. But anyways, they

[18:14] they do a great job of rage baiting. I'm

[18:18] even getting mad just thinking about it

[18:20] right now.

[18:22] >> Absolutely. Now, that takes us into the

[18:24] next month, March. Um this was I think

[18:28] the the real apex of the spaces. This

[18:32] was when it reached its peak. It has

[18:34] never been to this level again. And it

[18:37] is the Shawn Perry versus Mazy fight

[18:40] that took place. Sean Perry, Mazy went

[18:42] back and forth on Twitter. There are

[18:44] some questions if maybe this was set up

[18:47] in advance and this was going to help

[18:48] promote it, but it felt very organic at

[18:51] the time with the beef back and forth

[18:54] and it all came together into an actual

[18:56] fight. Uh, I really like this one from

[18:58] Josh at call cuss service who says two

[19:00] people that are almost identical

[19:02] ideologically but think another one

[19:05] think one another are a fraudulent are

[19:07] willing to fight till the death to prove

[19:09] that they in fact are the real thing.

[19:12] Absolute masterpiece and the fight did

[19:15] take place. It was like within 24 hours

[19:17] this happened. They met up at a gym.

[19:19] They were beefing in front of the gym.

[19:21] They went in the gym and Mazy and Shawn

[19:23] Perry had a not very good fight, but I

[19:25] think entertaining enough kind of like

[19:27] rough and rowdy vibes where Shawn Perry

[19:29] ended up becoming the winner. We got a

[19:32] pretty funny photo of Mazy uh on the

[19:34] outside of the ring laying down like

[19:36] Royal Rumble style almost and Adam at

[19:38] the NHL better says when you get 40

[19:40] cents of CLV and the team loses by 20

[19:43] points. Um, again, it feels like this

[19:45] was really the climax of the Twitter

[19:48] spaces and we'll never reach this this

[19:50] level quite again.

[19:52] >> I was all in on this. I'm not going to

[19:54] lie. I followed like that entire day. I

[19:57] was all in on that fight when Mazi

[19:59] pulled the the the video of Shawn

[20:02] Perry's bar mitzvah.

[20:04] >> Like that had to be what? One of the

[20:06] best of the Yeah, that that was like I

[20:09] watched that video 50 times over

[20:11] wondering if it was AI. I seriously did.

[20:13] I was all in on this. I hate Sean Perry.

[20:16] Absolutely can't stand him. Low-life

[20:18] loser in my opinion. But that was the

[20:21] one day where I was I was very invested

[20:24] in his content.

[20:25] >> The the two things I think of when I

[20:27] when I see this are one that Dez Bryant

[20:29] was there.

[20:31] >> Still will never will never make sense

[20:33] in my head.

[20:35] >> And two, Mazy in jail right now. Right

[20:37] now. IT WAS YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY

[20:40] MAZI, YOU KNOW, 6 months ago on top of

[20:43] the world from from there to federal

[20:45] prison.

[20:46] >> Yep.

[20:46] >> 6 months ago fighting in jeans in a

[20:49] boxing ring and then you know who could

[20:51] have predicted this outcome for us.

[20:53] >> Life life comes at you fast. And it also

[20:55] came fast for Elf. This was like the

[20:57] time where you know ELF was really

[20:59] respected in this space. This was a

[21:01] space that was used to help kind of

[21:03] expose frauds in the space. But then

[21:05] people started to worry that maybe he's

[21:07] getting caught up in the wrong crowd.

[21:09] Man of the vague said, "I think the more

[21:11] Elf talks of these frauds and learns how

[21:13] they live and who they party with, the

[21:15] more he envys the lifestyle. I pray he

[21:17] stays strong." David Hill says, "Kind of

[21:18] incredible how fast this elf show went

[21:20] from clowning scammers and touts to

[21:22] celebrating them. I don't get the arc at

[21:24] all." And live dog Luke with the meme of

[21:27] the guy whispering into the girl's ear

[21:28] at the club. She's clearly not

[21:30] interested. Uh, quote says, "So, Elf Ru

[21:33] is following by creating community

[21:34] around calling out scares and exposing

[21:36] them, but now he flew out to Las Vegas

[21:37] and is spending time with Shawn Perry

[21:39] and is glazing the lifestyle. We are

[21:41] getting worried is going to become a

[21:43] sell or stay true to himself." Uh, Rob,

[21:45] you had a very big falling out with Elf

[21:48] after previously having a good

[21:50] relationship. Feels like a lot of these

[21:52] kind of warning signs were very

[21:54] accurate.

[21:55] >> They were. Listen, I was very blind to

[21:57] it at the time. I really enjoyed the

[21:58] drama that was going on on a nightly it

[22:00] gave me something to do. I found it

[22:02] entertaining but uh there were a lot of

[22:04] people who just knew that this was the

[22:06] way it was going to end up and obviously

[22:07] the the signs were there and uh that

[22:09] relationship is like is non-existent at

[22:12] this point. I don't even know what's

[22:13] going on in his life anymore and what's

[22:15] happening. So um yeah, it was it was a

[22:18] good run. Lots of people saw it coming

[22:20] though. I can't say I was one of them.

[22:22] So, it's a shame like there's a tragedy

[22:25] that uh Nick Reiner had to kill his two

[22:29] parents because I could think of a lot

[22:31] of people who I would have preferred

[22:33] Nick Reiner to run into a week ago.

[22:39] >> Wow.

[22:39] >> And that's pretty much every person

[22:41] that's been brought up in the last like

[22:43] three minutes.

[22:45] >> Well,

[22:46] >> listen. I mean, God,

[22:50] that [ __ ] up. Yeah, I'll I'll try and

[22:54] follow that up with uh I I agree that

[22:58] there was a moment where like oh my god

[23:01] this show like it's going to be like is

[23:03] you know you're thinking it's this and

[23:05] now like I think I saw like a few weeks

[23:09] ago Elf is on like like the Omar and the

[23:11] Elf shows now have combined into uh into

[23:16] you know like whatever cast

[23:18] >> it's the clown show now.

[23:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. whoever whatever cast of

[23:21] characters haven't been arrested yet

[23:23] that were or are not in prison or are

[23:26] not, you know, like and that are are now

[23:28] uh on the OAR show. So yeah, I um yeah,

[23:32] it's life comes at you real fast.

[23:35] >> I used to think that, you know, Elf

[23:37] misplayed this and that like, oh, you

[23:39] could have done whatever. I I'm starting

[23:41] to think now like

[23:42] >> it was a short run. It had to be short

[23:44] for it to last. There was only everybody

[23:46] wasn't going to commit to an evening

[23:48] thing for long unless you just have no

[23:50] life or in the Omar spaces like those

[23:52] people are the people that are meant to

[23:54] battle it out on spaces for you know

[23:56] longer than a just brief stent.

[23:58] >> Yeah. shelf life was way shorter than I

[24:00] think

[24:00] >> it is amazing to Rob's point how like

[24:04] that show got me to like give a [ __ ]

[24:07] >> for like two days that Amanda Vance

[24:10] wasn't answering questions

[24:13] like and now here we are A YEAR LATER

[24:15] LIKE I COULD NOT GIVE A flying [ __ ]

[24:18] about anything that happens ever to

[24:21] Amanda Vance but for some reason for

[24:23] like a two-day period I was like driving

[24:27] myself nuts

[24:28] That elf let her like

[24:32] >> didn't they

[24:34] went to the Panthers game and then like

[24:36] she had too many drinks and wouldn't do

[24:38] the show.

[24:38] >> Yeah.

[24:39] >> And then like is dating the guy who was

[24:43] parody.

[24:44] >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ended up like

[24:46] actually like with one of the guys that

[24:48] came. So

[24:49] >> Yeah.

[24:50] >> Jeff made the point. It was amazing.

[24:51] Like we expected Elf, the journalist, to

[24:54] hold the important figure of Amanda

[24:55] Vance's feet to the flyer for some

[24:57] journalism here. Like

[25:00] doesn't seem pretty practical.

[25:01] >> How dare Elf be like a young horny guy.

[25:06] >> One of them.

[25:07] >> I mean, he did do the same stuff with Bo

[25:09] Wagner. So, I don't like, you know,

[25:11] maybe the horniness wasn't the uh maybe

[25:14] it was. I'm not there's anything wrong

[25:15] with that. I don't think we like I think

[25:18] this was like oh Elf like at some point

[25:21] changed and started liking Grifters.

[25:23] Like I think we were just wrong. Elf

[25:25] never was like that ever. He always was

[25:28] on their side from day one.

[25:31] >> I think he would always do anything he

[25:33] could to elevate the show. No matter

[25:35] what. It didn't matter what it was.

[25:37] There was zero moral compass. If more

[25:39] people were going to listen on a night,

[25:41] he would do it. You know,

[25:42] >> well, he did the right thing. And from

[25:44] his perspective, even if it upset some

[25:48] of us in the moment, um, or maybe you

[25:50] could say me with the comment I made a

[25:52] couple minutes ago, I feel like he used

[25:56] a lot of people that we like. Like I

[25:58] feel like he used Rob, he used Spanky.

[26:01] Yeah.

[26:02] >> He, you know, and he would like, "Thank

[26:04] you for coming in like not on a burner.

[26:06] It really helps like promote the show

[26:09] and like you're come in and that was

[26:12] it." cuz he had Benson and Spanky and

[26:14] Rob and it just it gave him a whole

[26:18] universe and some of us bit and some

[26:21] stayed longer than others.

[26:24] Well said. Next one we go to April and

[26:28] uh it was start of the year was a very

[26:30] quick rise up the ranks for Matt

[26:32] Zilbert. A real renaissance for Matt

[26:34] Zilbert, but it all came crashing down

[26:36] one fateful day in April. Just a simple

[26:39] overunder bet on the Giants against the

[26:42] Yankees.

[26:45] And uh this one well reported by Frank

[26:49] Rambo24. Jason Williams says, "Is this

[26:52] what you guys want? Someone editing

[26:54] articles after the game is over. Same

[26:57] guy texts everyone on the internet

[26:58] claiming they are not documented. This

[27:00] is just the start. Dead spin. I got

[27:02] plenty more coming." And there was

[27:04] plenty more to come as we eventually

[27:06] found out. Jacob, before you continue,

[27:08] >> you can't start here with Do it, Joey.

[27:12] >> Can you remind me

[27:16] why after years of people not caring

[27:19] about Zilbo,

[27:21] how he got back into relevancy and was

[27:24] given a platform again? Well, uh, I

[27:27] believe that his first real exposure was

[27:30] the Super Bowl player prop extravaganza

[27:33] in February of

[27:35] >> I share I share some characteristics

[27:37] with Elf. I run a content company. I'll

[27:40] do anything for views. Everyone was

[27:42] going to watch Zilbert give out his

[27:44] Super Bowl prop. It was 100% going to

[27:47] happen. In this scenario where he

[27:49] doctorred the bet, I also did a circle

[27:52] back. I remember I'm like, "Let's wait

[27:54] and let's just make wait till the

[27:56] evidence comes out on this."

[27:58] >> I REMEMBER WHEN EVERYONE HAD THEIR

[27:59] pitchforks out, you were LIKE, "GUYS,

[28:02] >> I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN,

[28:03] >> Rob is Rob is like, you know, it's like

[28:06] a a bad guy in a kids movie. There was

[28:10] like this dead creature

[28:13] um and he plugged him in. He powered him

[28:16] up again. and he has then since reached,

[28:19] you know, just creating Zilbert Havoc.

[28:22] But I don't know that I could say this

[28:26] about anything else. I if not for Rob

[28:29] platforming him on the Super Bowl show,

[28:34] it's interesting to think like if he

[28:36] even gets any traction back as a fa a

[28:41] front-facing finger. I I I I'm calling

[28:44] BS on this whole Okay, we did have him

[28:46] on the Super Bowl show. Every person

[28:48] already knew who Zilbert was. All that

[28:51] guy did was live in every single person.

[28:54] >> No, I thought Zilbert I thought his avy

[28:57] was just like A GENERIC PICTURE IN A in

[29:00] a picture frame like camera before.

[29:04] >> He looked like it looked like a guy from

[29:06] like a picture frame in a store.

[29:09] >> YEAH,

[29:09] >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT it was. You can

[29:12] blame me. I didn't give him a panel at

[29:14] Bet Bash. I'll tell you that. I didn't

[29:16] put him up in front of an audience, you

[29:18] know, talking about NFL futures. So, you

[29:20] know, people people see that the that

[29:22] he's he draws a crowd for some reason.

[29:25] With that said, today, literally today,

[29:27] I had to leave a conversation. Man, this

[29:29] guy

[29:29] >> I noticed I noticed you were no longer

[29:31] tagged in these circles off post because

[29:33] of the replies on it.

[29:34] >> I I

[29:36] DM' this guy like a dozen times. I'm

[29:38] like, "Nobody gives a [ __ ] about your

[29:41] like you're and you he thinks he's like

[29:43] saving the industry by going after

[29:45] everyone else and like where's your

[29:47] documented record?" Guys, I to the

[29:50] audience, I will apologize. It was a big

[29:52] mistake. Hindsight, if I could go back

[29:55] in time, I would reverse my course of

[29:57] action because I'm so annoyed with the

[29:59] whole thing. But

[30:02] you got like we we did we did good

[30:04] numbers for that Super Bowl. As soon as

[30:06] he went CAME ON, MAN, IT WAS JUST

[30:07] [ __ ] flying up.

[30:09] >> You're doing I I don't I'm guessing you

[30:11] you're going to do multi-day and I hope

[30:13] he gets his spot again.

[30:16] >> Did it win last year? I know he bought

[30:17] points.

[30:18] >> Yeah, the overunder.

[30:19] >> He bought the total of the game. And it

[30:21] was

[30:23] like, I'm not going for this small ass

[30:26] props. I'm going right to it.

[30:28] >> He didn't buy points, guys. He didn't

[30:30] buy points. He bought point.

[30:32] >> He bought points.

[30:33] >> Right. Well, in this scenario, he was

[30:36] just making a simple under eight runs in

[30:40] the game minus 105 at FanDuel and then

[30:43] all of a sudden said, "Let's hope this

[30:45] game gets rain rained out because in the

[30:47] Giants Yankees about before the ninth

[30:49] for no action," which was strange

[30:52] because at FanDuel,

[30:55] if it goes over the eight, it's going to

[30:58] sell because per their rules, settle as

[31:01] per the ADAP innings rule, except for

[31:03] when the result has already been

[31:05] unequivocally determined, which it was

[31:08] in this instance. Now on Caesar's, it's

[31:11] a little bit different. If it does get

[31:13] rained out, the bet actually voids. So

[31:16] the claim here is that Matt Zilbert went

[31:19] to his dead spin article, edited the

[31:21] pick to be at Caesars rather than

[31:23] FanDuel, therefore giving him now a

[31:24] worse price at minus 110 in order to get

[31:27] a push. Sorry, it's actually eight runs

[31:29] in order to get a push rather than a

[31:31] loss. She edited a bet in order to get a

[31:33] push instead of a loss. Now, I wasn't

[31:36] able I tried I tried I tried to dig up

[31:39] the actual is it the metadata of the

[31:42] website.

[31:43] >> You don't have to worry about it, Jacob.

[31:45] It's clearcut, man. We gave this guy a

[31:47] million opportunities. All he had to do

[31:49] was forward the email that he sent the

[31:51] article in because he sends his article

[31:53] to to an editor at DeadSpin. All he had

[31:56] to do was forward that to one person. it

[31:59] would have shown what the original

[32:00] article looked like. He refused to do

[32:02] that. It's done. He He has these He has

[32:06] in his mind

[32:07] >> to this day indisputable evidence and

[32:10] he's never done that. So, as far as I'm

[32:11] concerned, you don't even need the

[32:13] metadata.

[32:13] >> Well, the metadata did showcase that

[32:15] there was an edit after midnight after

[32:17] the game was finished to change uh or

[32:19] maybe during it was there was it was

[32:21] edited well after it was posted and this

[32:24] is this is the very very strong claim

[32:26] that exists. Uh, we had

[32:27] >> charges Zilbert can't beat. Only only

[32:30] off the field can he beat those charges.

[32:33] >> Nick Rambo said, "Our friend Mr. Zilber

[32:35] has been caught with his hand in the

[32:37] cookie jar. Celebrating a Yankees game

[32:38] canceled pre eight and a half innings.

[32:40] There's just one minor problem. As per

[32:42] FanDuel rules, his underbet will still

[32:43] grade an L a lot and also lots of other

[32:46] books have the same rule. Not Caesars as

[32:48] I mentioned. Mr. Peanut Better, this was

[32:50] when your goat let you down. You said,

[32:52] "Did Zilbert really change the book? He

[32:54] took the under. You either die a hero or

[32:56] live long enough to become the villain.

[32:57] I am crushed. RIP to the cat. Trent,

[33:01] book it with Trent. [ __ ] hate Zilbert

[33:04] said, "Unbelievable, but not surprised.

[33:06] You gave out a [ __ ] play, prayed for a

[33:08] rain delay, and scammed all your

[33:10] followers who didn't get refunded of

[33:12] your [ __ ] wager and then changed the

[33:13] article overnight thinking no one would

[33:15] see that you claimed to have it placed

[33:17] on a different book that voided it.

[33:19] Loser behavior." Uh, wow. Yeah. Yeah,

[33:22] >> that was uh that was really an electric

[33:24] week. I gotta say

[33:26] >> it was

[33:26] >> of content when that one came out.

[33:28] >> Once metadata started getting posted,

[33:29] you know, people were really in the

[33:31] weeds. Yeah. Like that's that's

[33:32] >> for real. For real. Next one. Uh this is

[33:36] uh this is something we're in April now,

[33:39] right? This is something that initially

[33:40] occurred in March. This was really like

[33:42] the seed that planted this content. It

[33:44] was uh NBA green beans against Man of

[33:47] the Library. Man of the library was in

[33:49] the bathroom trying to trying to incite

[33:51] a fight with Brett Fin Brian Fines at

[33:55] NBA Green Beans. Man of the vag

[33:58] 69 says to be honest everyone in this

[34:00] video is acting like a [ __ ] idiot.

[34:02] Would any of you want your kids/ future

[34:04] children scene you act like this? Get in

[34:06] the boxing and hash it out that way. But

[34:08] this this is [ __ ] stupid. We're all

[34:11] dumber watch this [ __ ] and get in the

[34:13] boxing ring. They did. Uh Brett Fer

[34:17] said, "These idiots of Gam Twitter are

[34:18] really giving Gary all the fuel he needs

[34:20] to weasel out of boxing MMA match

[34:22] against me. This guy is completely full

[34:24] of [ __ ] Anyone who thinks I didn't

[34:25] press him and stand on bid when Larry

[34:27] pulled up is a [ __ ] Replay the tape."

[34:29] That was the seed. They did get in the

[34:32] ring. Um I I was trying to remember what

[34:34] is the amount they had to pay Manda

[34:36] Library to show up. Was it

[34:38] >> I think it was $2,000. I could be wrong,

[34:40] but I think

[34:40] >> a,000 or 2,000.

[34:42] >> Yeah, it got up.

[34:43] >> It's not a lot. Yeah,

[34:44] >> he got in the ring and I have had this

[34:46] photo saved

[34:49] my computer since it happened

[34:52] absolutely feeding him a punch through

[34:55] the outside of the ring as the ref is

[34:57] laughing watching it happen. Uh really

[35:00] really good fight. I just love like when

[35:03] an overweight guy refuses to take off

[35:05] his shirt in the most like obvious

[35:07] scenario where you should take off your

[35:09] shirt like in a like you're fighting and

[35:12] he still feels the need to keep his

[35:14] shirt on to fight Brett Feines on who

[35:16] has like an Anthony Joshua versus Jake

[35:17] Paul size advantage against him might I

[35:20] say uh although man was was upset

[35:24] because he didn't have the full

[35:26] protection in the face gear whereas

[35:28] Brett Feines did and maybe that's the

[35:29] reason he lost the Okay, Rob [ __ ] said

[35:31] it was at this moment I did not like my

[35:33] bet because I'm sure he had action on

[35:36] Man of the Library because you actually

[35:37] bet on this stuff when it took place.

[35:39] But Rob, you are not a fan of Man of the

[35:41] Library. I'm sure you enjoyed this as

[35:42] much as I did.

[35:43] >> Well, I did at the time. I can't even

[35:45] look back on it fondly because I think I

[35:46] might actually dislike NBA green beans

[35:48] even more than I like dislike Library.

[35:50] Like these are two of the biggest idiots

[35:52] on the planet. Absolute clowns. So, I

[35:54] can't even enjoy looking back on that in

[35:56] real time. I was messaging Brett. And

[35:58] I'm like, "Thank God you [ __ ] laid

[36:00] waste to this guy." But now like Brett

[36:02] is even worse in my book. So I It's

[36:05] disappointing. I I should have a much

[36:07] better response to that because uh

[36:09] library is just a goof. Complete goof.

[36:13] >> I like that first tweet that's like,

[36:15] "Would your children be proud to to see

[36:18] you guys acting this way?" Hash it out

[36:21] in a rim. Like your children would be

[36:22] proud that you went in Vegas.

[36:24] >> They're proud of this photo right here.

[36:25] >> Take it from the bathroom to the ring.

[36:27] Of course. Yeah, there's the prideful

[36:29] event right there.

[36:30] >> Jeez,

[36:31] >> it was just a natural evolution.

[36:32] >> I got to say, man, I really wish Brett

[36:36] just went into that bathroom and [ __ ]

[36:38] beat the [ __ ] out of him in there. Like,

[36:40] him not going in there was just such a

[36:42] lame.

[36:43] >> We We made such a big deal about him not

[36:46] fighting him there, didn't like we we

[36:47] were like, "Oh, wow." The library

[36:50] girlfriend.

[36:51] >> Yeah, his girlfriend was there. library

[36:52] had LIKE SOME

[36:53] >> THE LIBRARY had his man purse and he

[36:56] wanted a small confined space where he

[36:59] could hop on Brett's back and like

[37:02] chloroform him. I don't blame anyone for

[37:05] not getting in like a 4x4 box with

[37:07] Library.

[37:09] >> Did I say that right? I know I usually

[37:11] uh Yeah.

[37:12] >> Library needed to quit right there.

[37:14] Jerry Seinfeld like race style where

[37:16] you're like I will never race again.

[37:17] Like I was in the bathroom. Like

[37:19] >> he had to have known deep down when he

[37:21] got into that ring that things were

[37:22] going to go poorly for him.

[37:23] >> Yeah. But he got he got paid.

[37:24] >> But he's so poor, Mike, that he had to

[37:26] take the money.

[37:27] >> And and not to like, you know, shame a

[37:29] guy for taking the money, but this is a

[37:31] guy who claims to be betting this like

[37:32] absorbent amount of money all the time,

[37:35] >> going out for 2K or whatever it was to

[37:38] get his ass beat in front of a camera.

[37:41] Maybe not as much money as he claimed to

[37:43] have. Um, also in April, we had the one

[37:47] of my favorite episodes of Circle Back.

[37:48] It was the GRP verse parody episode.

[37:51] This is the time of year where there was

[37:52] all these parody GRP accounts. There was

[37:54] alien GRP wins. Giorgio Rigotoni

[37:58] Panagaki. My personal favorite. George

[38:01] Riley Nuind Panagakis. Uh, that's way

[38:05] GRP News is is the best name that came

[38:07] out of it where you have him eating

[38:09] sushi. You had like the Italian one at

[38:11] GRP pawn gron [ __ ] with Italian food.

[38:14] There was one version of him in Braille

[38:17] and we played the game. Is it a real GRP

[38:19] tweet or is it one of the parody

[38:20] accounts? We made for some really fun

[38:22] content there. Um I don't know if

[38:24] anybody has anything to add, but I

[38:26] really enjoyed this little mini era of

[38:28] gambling Twitter.

[38:28] >> That was one of our one of my favorite

[38:30] episodes ever. That game we played where

[38:32] we had to pick whether it was real or

[38:34] not and we had like all these little

[38:36] nuances that we knew from the real GRP

[38:38] account. That was one of my favorite

[38:40] things that I've ever done in content.

[38:42] It got it got stale quickly. Like

[38:45] there's these accounts still exist and

[38:46] they're tweeting at each other all the

[38:48] time. I don't know who's

[38:49] >> still tweeting.

[38:50] >> Oh, hund There's more than that. There's

[38:51] like

[38:52] >> I thought it was I just these accounts

[38:54] were dead. I haven't

[38:55] >> Yeah. No, no, they're still they're

[38:57] still out there. There's more. There's

[38:58] way more of them. But that was a fun.

[39:00] >> Maybe one day. Go back and uh reminisce

[39:02] a little bit. Let's head into June

[39:04] because there was nothing actually that

[39:06] made the cut for me from May. So, we're

[39:08] going to fast forward from April, April,

[39:10] excuse me, all the way into June. First

[39:12] up here, we had the real fats take on

[39:15] the entire McDonald's corporation

[39:18] because when he was in an empty

[39:20] drive-thru, his food was going to take a

[39:22] bit longer than expected. So, they asked

[39:24] him to pull up into a parking spot where

[39:26] they would bring the food out to his

[39:29] car. All it do is park for a little bit

[39:31] of time. uh at my local McDonald's. That

[39:34] parking lot is legitimately still in the

[39:36] drive-thru in in some other McDonald's.

[39:38] Yes, that could be in the parking lot,

[39:40] but there was a novel or two written

[39:43] every single day saying things like

[39:46] this. Since you have been ducking me for

[39:48] the last two days now, let's simplify

[39:50] the entire issue. Just answer this one

[39:52] question. If a customer in the

[39:54] drive-thru line has ordered at the menu

[39:56] wall, paid for the food at the first

[39:57] window, and now pulled up to the second

[39:59] window to be handed their food, and

[40:01] there is no other cars at any point in

[40:03] the drive-thru lane, and you're now

[40:05] alone at the food pickup window, is

[40:07] there any justifiable reason why at the

[40:10] time I would be asked to pull out of

[40:13] line to wait in a designated area for

[40:15] someone to bring my food out to me?

[40:18] Hashtag. Answer the question. I love

[40:20] when like boomers use hashtags like so

[40:22] incorrectly like #ans answer the

[40:24] question. I love this other one here. It

[40:27] ends with #fix the problem. It's another

[40:30] very long novel going up against

[40:33] McDonald's giving he's giving away his

[40:34] full name. He's giving out all his

[40:36] information. He wants to chat with

[40:38] someone higher up. He wants to talk to

[40:40] McDonald's corporate about this epidemic

[40:43] in McDonald's across the nation, maybe

[40:45] even across the word the world. Connor

[40:48] Allen said, "Gambling Twitter is truly

[40:49] the best." Top today's top story, quote,

[40:52] "Fats is demanding a direct line of

[40:55] contact with McDonald's executives

[40:57] because they made him pull up at a

[40:59] drive-thru too many times." Incredible.

[41:02] I kind of want to start with Jeff

[41:03] because you you stood with McDonald's on

[41:05] this one. You held firm.

[41:07] >> What's it like looking back at this one?

[41:09] >> I loved it. I still it just made me

[41:11] smile thinking about it. The call, the

[41:14] audio of his call to corporate was one

[41:18] of the highlights of the year. Him

[41:20] trying to explain to this woman. And I

[41:24] assume we've all been there. I've

[41:25] probably been there more than you guys

[41:27] based on my gut, but

[41:30] they don't screw. Well, maybe they screw

[41:32] up a lot for you, but when McDonald's

[41:34] screws up, like their customer service

[41:37] is like they they make it right. They

[41:39] don't, you know, no 20-year-old at the

[41:42] cash going to fight with you. They just

[41:44] want to make it right. Um, what an

[41:47] absurd stance this whole thing was. But,

[41:50] you know, the magic of Twitter, like I

[41:53] got [ __ ] invested and drawn into the

[41:56] drawn into this thing. And looking back

[41:59] on it as we sit here at Christmas,

[42:01] really [ __ ] embarrassing on my part,

[42:03] but at the time, I couldn't resist. You

[42:06] didn't use the promo code mixori as uh

[42:08] as bad alluded to.

[42:10] >> May I suggest the promo code hashtag or

[42:13] sorry mixari?

[42:15] >> I I honestly I I I'm dead serious when I

[42:18] say this. I almost wish this wasn't

[42:20] included because I forgot about it and

[42:22] and I know fats isn't in good health

[42:24] right now. It it's like it was like why

[42:26] I didn't want Philip Rivers to come back

[42:28] to the NFL because I'm like man if this

[42:30] goes really bad for him this is what I'm

[42:32] going to remember him at. And I had like

[42:34] so many good conversations with fats

[42:36] over the year years like

[42:38] >> you remember the good ones.

[42:39] >> I but this I can't

[42:42] bless hope uh you know hope he's doing

[42:45] he's doing well and I know like people

[42:47] might have this memory of me and him

[42:49] >> going at each other me having fun with

[42:51] this McDonald's thing. um anytime like

[42:55] I'm always wishing him well and and hope

[42:57] the best for him in any like real life

[43:00] context, but I will always find humor in

[43:02] this McDonald's stuff.

[43:03] >> This was your obsession for sure, Jeff,

[43:05] though. Over the course of the year,

[43:06] like and you wanted the fats tweets in

[43:09] every show. We vote on the topics for I

[43:12] would go in and Jeff like Jeff barely

[43:14] ever votes on the topics either, but

[43:16] there'd be like a big yes like capitals

[43:18] bolded and stuff like that. He really

[43:20] really wanted this stuff. That's it for

[43:23] Jul J June. We're going to head into

[43:25] July. And this was the amazing arc with

[43:30] Jeff Nadoo taking a domestic flight.

[43:34] That became the biggest news not just on

[43:38] gambling Twitter. That was number one

[43:40] trending on Twitter. Jeff Nadoo taking a

[43:42] domestic flight because there was all

[43:44] this drama that he was on the no-fly

[43:46] list. And at the time, like we were all

[43:49] just like, "Okay, he's obviously not on

[43:50] the no-fly list." Haha. And then there

[43:52] was I think it was a poker event he was

[43:54] supposed to attend and he didn't make

[43:56] the flight. Elf said I'm about to take

[43:59] take off uh cash elf to make his flight

[44:02] at minus 1000. Nobody cares about me

[44:04] though. The real sweat is if Jeff Nadoo

[44:06] will be on the airplane today. Jeff

[44:08] Nadoo did not make the flight. Larry

[44:10] Legend responded said so are you flying

[44:12] today or what? And Jeff said no. Why?

[44:15] Alarm didn't go off. And that's when the

[44:17] gears started really turning like, okay,

[44:20] he's definitely not at the no-fly list,

[44:21] but like is he actually on the no-fly

[44:23] list? And then he actually posted a

[44:25] video in the airport. His flight then

[44:28] got cancelled and he still couldn't take

[44:30] off, which again the tinfoil hat was on.

[44:33] Is this guy not actually allowed to fly?

[44:36] Babe Truth said, "Sir, Jeff Noo did not

[44:39] get on that plane. It is the meme of uh

[44:42] the guy whispering into George Bush's

[44:44] ear, but it's big cat photoshopped onto

[44:46] George Bush's face. Kesh, you said, "I

[44:48] need Koshi presenting sponsoring circles

[44:51] off. I need a Koshi market." And if Nadu

[44:53] shows up on that stream tonight, Khi

[44:55] posted a market. 20% chance it was fake.

[44:58] It wasn't actually a real market. But

[44:59] guess what? Nadu flew. Bar still held a

[45:04] live stream where they had boots on the

[45:06] ground at the gate at the airport with

[45:08] Rico Bosco looking on in absolute horror

[45:12] as Jeff Nadoo comes off the plane. He

[45:15] indeed did take that domestic flight and

[45:18] again this was the number one trending

[45:20] thing on Twitter at the time. It hashtag

[45:23] Nadoo was number one on Twitter. I mean

[45:26] just just amazing the levels that we got

[45:28] here. Who wants to start on this one? My

[45:30] favorite memory of this was was actually

[45:32] Kesh repeatedly saying he doesn't think

[45:34] that Nadoo can fly and Nad would get

[45:37] [ __ ] like he was livid. He DM'd me

[45:40] like in a personal like Telegram chat

[45:43] once and was like like like bro like

[45:46] when we were doing the show like manto

[45:48] man be like like like like a heartfelt

[45:50] like bro like I need you to stop

[45:56] like like I respect you as a man.

[45:59] >> Respect me and stop.

[46:01] >> Was he still on this on the Friday show

[46:02] at the time?

[46:03] >> Yeah, he was.

[46:04] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[46:05] >> Friday. So while this is all going on

[46:06] Wow. We saw Adam

[46:08] >> is the one of the best bits in the

[46:11] history of internet bits like the way it

[46:14] started from nothing. The fact that no

[46:17] one can trace back the no fly list

[46:20] thing. the fact that the I don't know

[46:24] exactly why his flight got cancelled,

[46:26] but that there was it was a rumor that

[46:28] some riders took took info and

[46:34] called customer service and got his

[46:37] flight cancelled from like when he

[46:40] posted it a month prior. Th this this

[46:43] was my this is this is if I'm given an

[46:46] award for best thing of the year, this

[46:48] is it for me. Uh it was all around as

[46:52] you're SAYING THIS GOT WAY THIS GOT WAY

[46:54] OUT OF CONTAINMENT. This was like

[46:57] outside of gambling Twitter into like

[47:00] some normie in your life maybe like have

[47:02] you heard of Jeff Noo like did you see

[47:04] this?

[47:05] >> I I feel like gambling Twitter the the

[47:07] whole Twitter world was unified for at

[47:09] least an hour of of waiting and

[47:12] anticipation. I remember watching this

[47:13] stream live as he pulled out of the

[47:15] gate. Magical moments. I remember tell

[47:18] like my wife is like what's hap and I'm

[47:19] like trying to explain to her like the

[47:21] elation like why I'm the joy and she's

[47:24] like what the hell are you talking

[47:25] about? She's like a grown man took a

[47:27] flight. Like what's the big deal? LIKE

[47:29] YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. You don't

[47:30] understand. And I I'm like you can't you

[47:34] try to explain this to like someone who

[47:35] didn't know what was going on. They

[47:36] think you're [ __ ] mental. They think

[47:37] you're crazy.

[47:38] >> Yep. But Nudoo flew. He did fly. And

[47:41] that was the highlight of July. We go

[47:43] into August now. This was the month of

[47:46] Bet Bash and uh I think the biggest

[47:47] thing that came up here, Flip is a loser

[47:50] for [ __ ] deleting these tweets, but

[47:52] he went at KI, our presenting sponsor, I

[47:55] might add within two hours of the live

[47:59] circle back recording at Bet Bash. He

[48:02] went and and we were scrambling trying

[48:04] to figure out what like me Rob was

[48:06] thinking like what the hell are we going

[48:08] to do here? Rob had to basically kind of

[48:10] police the situation and play it down.

[48:12] But this was right before our live show.

[48:14] So essentially, Flopup saw a market that

[48:17] was left up after the event had already

[48:19] finished. It was a tennis match. He put

[48:21] down a ton of money and because of the

[48:25] house rules associated with prediction

[48:27] markets like Cal, they weren't able to

[48:29] void the bets. They were forced to give

[48:32] Flopup a little bit of a loss. And a

[48:34] little bit of a loss for Flopup is a

[48:36] very significant amount of money. Flopup

[48:38] was very upset about this. took his

[48:40] disdain for the decision public. He has

[48:44] since apologized profusely for it. He

[48:46] has since deleted all tweets associated

[48:48] with it. He's forgiven our sponsors.

[48:50] Koshi here, but the tweets about it.

[48:53] Reishi bet says, "It's funny seeing the

[48:54] virtue signaling reaction to the flop

[48:56] tennis thing. As if a single one of you

[48:58] wouldn't try to get a live moneyline bet

[49:01] and if you see a player walk into the

[49:02] net to retire and don't try to come up

[49:04] with some arbitrary ethical difference."

[49:06] Man of the VA said, "This seems very

[49:08] shady on Flop's part. Dude bet a [ __ ]

[49:10] ton aside that was already settled

[49:11] trying to squeeze value from a closed

[49:12] market. He's lucky they didn't keep his

[49:14] whole [ __ ] bagg and ban his account

[49:17] to be honest. Shady [ __ ] Andy Moler

[49:19] added fl probably should have tweeted

[49:21] that but the folks trying to nail him to

[49:22] a cross maybe should chill a bit too. Uh

[49:24] I got to start with Rob on this one. I'm

[49:26] sure you remember this one well.

[49:28] >> I do. Very uncomfortable for me. Uh

[49:31] Flopup is a friend. He came to me that

[49:33] day right before the live bet bash show

[49:35] Kalshi as our sponsor and he said like

[49:37] Rob like I don't think I can do this. I

[49:40] said explain to me the situation and

[49:42] then I told him I thought he was wrong.

[49:43] I said like listen I I don't think

[49:45] you're in the right here. I think he

[49:47] tried to take a shot and you at least

[49:49] received that well he did the show but

[49:51] you know most importantly it's a good

[49:52] thing that Flop has learned from these

[49:54] PR mistakes in the past. Right. And he's

[49:56] corrected them in the in the future.

[49:58] >> Haven't seen him do anything like that.

[49:59] >> Yeah. Haven't I haven't seen any real PR

[50:01] misses from Flop in recent weeks or

[50:03] anything along those lines.

[50:06] >> There's nobody like that is in person

[50:10] like a genuinely like he's such a a

[50:12] genuinely like good guy, happy character

[50:15] that a corner of the internet absolutely

[50:18] despised it. There's something about

[50:20] Fluff that like a certain element of

[50:24] people, I don't know what it is, want

[50:26] him dead. And so when this came up, all

[50:31] were were out for him. I remember after

[50:34] the recording, Rob taking it with me.

[50:36] Rob fluffed in a corn and like was he

[50:39] was just like, "Hey man, like

[50:42] >> I don't know if we can keep keep you on

[50:44] the show from this." And like THERE WAS

[50:46] PROBABLY AN HOUR THERE WHERE LIKE Cooler

[50:48] Head's head prevail where like you could

[50:50] see the like steam coming off Flop's

[50:53] head for A TOTAL SHOT. LIKE THIS WAS THE

[50:57] SHOT OF ALL SHOTS FROM A GUY WHO LOVES

[50:59] TAKING SHOTS and he's thinking he's all

[51:01] the money. Um yeah, glad to see that uh

[51:05] that he's really learned from that uh

[51:07] that experience. But um yeah, that was a

[51:09] fun like uh living that in the moment

[51:11] was an interesting couple of hours. I

[51:14] remember I would never tweet when I

[51:17] didn't understand what was going on at

[51:18] Khi um a certain thing and really put

[51:21] mess it up. So I gotta say it was

[51:23] disgusting by flop. I don't I don't

[51:25] appreciate that type of behavior and I

[51:27] would never do anything like that.

[51:29] >> So my go ahead.

[51:31] >> Every other like slide we've had so far

[51:33] is like truly insane people. This was

[51:36] like like Fluff's a smart guy. This is

[51:38] the most biggest miscalculation of all

[51:40] time. What do you think was going to

[51:42] happen here?

[51:43] >> What was it? His net loss was like 42K,

[51:45] something like that. There

[51:47] >> he was completely in the wrong.

[51:49] >> I I know, but but when when you lose

[51:51] that much money, you you kind of start

[51:54] to justify why you were you know what

[51:56] I'm the brain works in weird ways.

[51:58] >> Yeah.

[51:58] >> But like maybe message someone being

[52:01] like, "Do you think Twitter's gonna have

[52:03] my side here?" Which every single person

[52:05] on Earth would have said, "No, obviously

[52:07] not." You know, I w I just went to him

[52:11] and I said, "Flop, like, if this had

[52:13] happened to you, come to me first. I

[52:15] have a great relationship with Cali.

[52:17] Like, we could, but from my perspective,

[52:19] I I think you're wrong." And he's like,

[52:21] "Ah, you don't think I should have

[52:22] tweeted that?" I'm like, "No." Like, I

[52:24] really I really don't. But, uh, I love

[52:27] Flop. I don't I don't I don't want to

[52:28] bury you.

[52:29] >> So, so from my role as a producer,

[52:31] unlike Kenishious belief, I actually do

[52:32] like work here at the Hammer. I was

[52:34] getting set up for the show like an hour

[52:36] before the show's about to start. And I

[52:38] was in the room getting set up and

[52:39] everything. Uh Isaac walks in, Isaac

[52:42] Rose Burman, who's been on the show as

[52:43] well. He walks in and says, "You see

[52:44] what Fluff tweeted?" I'm like, "No." And

[52:47] I read it. I'm like, "Oh my [ __ ]

[52:49] god." Like we literally have to do a

[52:50] show in one hour. He walks in with a

[52:52] [ __ ] no hoodie on, refuses to take it

[52:56] off.

[52:57] >> Oh my god. Uh disaster, but uh

[52:59] thankfully it's been it's been squashed.

[53:01] >> Maybe he set that Novig thing up. Seeing

[53:03] what happened after, he set it up all

[53:05] from the start.

[53:05] >> Yeah, the long game. Maybe we actually

[53:08] talked about that on that show if you

[53:11] recall. Like we were we made jokes,

[53:12] Kesh, you made like a joke right off the

[53:14] top completely burying like bringing

[53:17] attention to the situation where I'm

[53:19] just like, "Oh my god, here we go." Like

[53:22] >> that to me was was my favorite circle

[53:25] back of the year. That that line.

[53:26] >> It was a good show.

[53:28] >> We had we pulled through had a great

[53:29] show, I think.

[53:30] >> And then and GRP was like in the

[53:32] audience.

[53:33] >> Oh, GRP was eating it up. He's [ __ ]

[53:35] live tweeting about. Oh man, what a

[53:37] >> the notepad all that. Lots of great

[53:39] stuff from Bet Bash. But we do move now

[53:41] into September next month on the

[53:44] calendar. We have GRP coming up first

[53:46] because over this summer he went on a

[53:49] new venture trying to get a pick selling

[53:51] service up and running with payments

[53:54] going through Western Union I think it

[53:56] was or I think checks basically in the

[53:59] mail and it was a rough start to the

[54:02] season. I we're confident nobody bought

[54:05] his pics other than one person who was a

[54:07] friend from high school. That is what we

[54:09] believe. And after a very rough start to

[54:12] his pixelling service performance-wise,

[54:15] besides we're not winning, he said,

[54:18] "Which one of these is the reason for my

[54:20] big announcement tomorrow? One, secret

[54:22] formula being sold. Two, I'll be a wager

[54:26] talk handicapper. Three, there will be

[54:28] GRP wins cryptocoin. 44 moving to Vegas

[54:31] to work in a sports book. Uh it turned

[54:34] out he was selling the secret formula

[54:36] for I think six figures. I think it was

[54:39] like

[54:40] >> 250k he wanted

[54:42] >> and uh he was retiring from NFL sides

[54:45] and then he was betting sides like next

[54:46] weekend but he briefly retired from

[54:48] betting NFL sides. Covers Vanzachs. I'm

[54:51] a grown adult and I've watched the GRP

[54:53] wins retirement/sec formula video three

[54:55] times in the last hour and read every

[54:57] comment. I need a psychiatrist. Hashtag

[55:00] circleback. Jeff, uh, you're you're I

[55:03] think you're GRP's biggest fan among us.

[55:04] You met him in person. Describe describe

[55:07] what went down here.

[55:10] >> I I you know, when I met him, I told him

[55:12] I think he was in big trouble. The whole

[55:14] touting thing, the PO box, it was all a

[55:18] disaster and it was all for our

[55:21] entertainment.

[55:22] And honestly, at a certain point, it got

[55:24] a bit exhausting.

[55:26] >> Yeah. even even for

[55:30] for me. But, you know, George will

[55:31] always do something crazy to pull people

[55:34] back in, even for uh for a little

[55:38] um yep, that's all I got. Meeting him

[55:41] was watching him like try to pick up

[55:44] like a 20-year-old pretty blonde girl in

[55:46] person was like a sight to behold, a

[55:49] true highlight. And we can't forget

[55:52] Jacob. I don't I hope I I I don't know

[55:54] what I'm not privy to it, but he got

[55:56] Benson to pick him up at the airport in

[55:59] a limo like you know they wind and dine

[56:02] together and then he ends up not

[56:04] entering the contest. That is one of the

[56:07] ballsier moves that's ever you know we

[56:10] talk about did pick up the tab for their

[56:13] steak dinner but there was a lot by Jeff

[56:16] Benson in the way of you know I think a

[56:17] limo picked him up and they were they

[56:19] gave him a good room at circa. Yeah,

[56:22] >> they didn't have one entry. And to this

[56:26] day, Benson, like you see the replies to

[56:28] JRP's Weed, Benson has never forgiven

[56:30] him. And I love it.

[56:32] >> George promises for what it's worth, 10

[56:35] the full load next year.

[56:36] >> Oh yeah. Like he did last year, like

[56:39] he'll be coming to this season.

[56:41] >> If GRP is a stock, it's like you're

[56:43] you're buying like the the bottom right

[56:45] now. I mean, I'm just even going through

[56:47] like his engagement on his tweets right

[56:50] now. like it's bottom of the barrel now

[56:53] from a guy that was like people couldn't

[56:55] get enough of what he was saying for a

[56:56] few months there. Uh it's I don't know.

[56:59] Jeff always thinks he's gonna like come

[57:01] back and do something.

[57:03] >> I I don't know if he's

[57:04] >> Well, what did he do a couple weeks ago

[57:06] that had people like dieless AND

[57:08] >> STEPHEN SKIP? THAT'S FAIR. That's fair.

[57:11] He got that.

[57:12] >> Well, this is like a monster. He hits a

[57:14] he like a pool host off the Astros sort

[57:17] of moonshot. But I agree with you,

[57:19] Kenisha, and I've told him and I've said

[57:21] it on the show, his like

[57:24] not that whatever he was doing before

[57:27] was

[57:29] it entertained me, but this like weekly

[57:32] tracking of his futures is the worst. I

[57:37] said it to him so I could say it again.

[57:38] It's like telling someone about your

[57:40] poker hand stories. It'd be like me

[57:42] telling you about a par save that I had

[57:45] on the golf course this summer. No one

[57:48] gives a [ __ ] It is the worst content

[57:51] and it's really the only bit he's got

[57:53] right now.

[57:54] >> The selling pick execution

[57:57] has to be one of the most mismanaged

[58:00] him like possible. LIKE IF YOU COULD

[58:04] HAVE JUST done it, you would have had

[58:06] even like some of for like you know hund

[58:08] just to see the pics or for the content

[58:10] itself. But he couldn't even get it into

[58:12] a format where anyone could actually buy

[58:15] it. And so he got zero buys and then

[58:18] quitted after two weeks.

[58:21] >> Go ahead.

[58:22] >> I say if GRP was the kind of person who

[58:24] could execute that then he wouldn't be

[58:26] as loved as he is

[58:29] exeute simple pick package is why he's

[58:32] at the peak

[58:33] >> and hint like come on Kesh like in the

[58:35] winter he's going to bring that barbecue

[58:38] into the garage and you're going to like

[58:40] laugh your head off

[58:42] >> this summer. this upcoming summer, he's

[58:44] going to turn over one of those boards

[58:45] and there's going to be a [ __ ] snake

[58:46] underneath and it's going to blow up,

[58:48] man. Like, he will find a way.

[58:50] >> In the video series we did, Jeff asked,

[58:53] "You ever found a snake under one of

[58:54] these boards?" He says, "No."

[58:57] >> What the [ __ ] I thought you found

[58:58] snake. And then, and then the way that

[59:00] he, you know, like Jeff was going in to

[59:02] flip a board and JP's like, "No, no, no.

[59:03] You don't want to go that close." Jeff's

[59:05] like, "I can assure you that there's not

[59:08] going to be a snake under this board.

[59:10] like I there will not be a snake here.

[59:12] >> I I think where he really jumped the

[59:14] shark was when like he became more

[59:15] self-aware of the content. We we really

[59:18] lost the authenticity of it and I think

[59:20] that's where it really started the

[59:21] downfall. But

[59:22] >> something will bring us back in. I I I

[59:24] do believe Jeff there.

[59:26] >> I don't think he can like hold I don't

[59:28] think he can like

[59:29] >> it'll be tough for him to have a bit

[59:31] that is like gonna hold or like get him,

[59:34] you know, any sort of like content

[59:36] opportunities. But I just mean, you

[59:40] know, for all the strikeouts, like there

[59:43] is always going to be like a pending

[59:45] moonshot.

[59:46] >> He needs to hit a banger at the NFL

[59:48] draft. And I think that'll get us

[59:49] everyone back in. Maybe maybe that's

[59:51] what he needs.

[59:52] >> Super Bowl MVP goes to a lineman this

[59:54] year.

[59:56] >> He's back.

[59:58] >> He's back. Uh, speaking of NFL bets,

[60:01] we're staying in September. Was pretty

[60:02] loaded for stuff here actually on this.

[60:04] Uh we had the quite possibly the worst

[60:06] beat in NFL betting history. Maybe not,

[60:09] but one of the biggest ones, Hall of

[60:11] Fame worst beat where the Rams they were

[60:14] down 2726. They were about to kick a

[60:16] field goal. The spread was three and a

[60:19] half.

[60:20] If if the kick had just made it past the

[60:23] div, if it missed or it went in, it

[60:26] would have been a win on the spread. It

[60:29] was um plus three and a half for the

[60:32] Rams. So all this kick

[60:36] it to the goal post essentially or if it

[60:39] gets blocked like it did

[60:42] fall on the ball but the Eagles house it

[60:45] one of their linemen I think pick it up

[60:46] runs it in and again as time expires one

[60:49] of the worst beats of all time but as

[60:51] China says this stuff

[60:52] >> yeah every week you see something like

[60:54] this right Rob? Yeah, that was the

[60:55] classic ch that this is where China's

[60:57] bit started about like there's no such

[60:59] thing as bad beats when like the most

[61:01] ridiculous things were happening in

[61:03] sports and he's just like a this happens

[61:05] every weekend you know this happens

[61:06] every weekend that a kick gets blocked

[61:08] at the wire and for some reason every

[61:11] defensive lineman who's just taught to

[61:12] like fall on the ball to end the game he

[61:14] picks it scoop and score for a

[61:16] touchdown. That one was an absurd one.

[61:18] Luckily I was not on that one. Uh, I

[61:21] don't know if any of you guys were, but

[61:23] like that would have that would have

[61:25] significantly altered my my weekend. I I

[61:28] certainly I don't know if I would have

[61:30] >> I remember the friend of Hitman was on

[61:32] that one for sure.

[61:33] >> No, it makes a lot of sense. Naturalb

[61:34] born loser.

[61:38] Uh, next up from also in September, I

[61:41] wanted to highlight the significance of

[61:44] prediction markets having their own

[61:46] dedicated episode of South Park where

[61:49] Khi was directly mentioned and Koshi was

[61:52] directly shown on screen. In fact, Koshi

[61:55] interface was used on screen for the

[61:57] specific episode and you could actually

[62:00] use Khi to predict what would be said

[62:03] during the episode, what words would be

[62:05] said during the episode. So, just wanted

[62:06] to give a highlight there and a shout

[62:08] out to our sponsors over at Kow. You can

[62:10] sign up to Cali. We talked about them

[62:11] already with the link in the description

[62:13] or the QR code that is on screen right

[62:16] now. But a very large testament to how

[62:19] far prediction markets took off. I mean,

[62:21] you think about this the start of 2025,

[62:24] even something like this would have felt

[62:25] like insane, but that is the growth

[62:27] level that they displayed. Last thing

[62:28] that I have for September, uh, Salvo

[62:31] Betts faking his own death in order to

[62:34] help drive his pixel service. Salvo Bets

[62:37] tweeted, "Really sad news to report you

[62:39] from the Salvo Bets family. Salvo Bets

[62:41] tragically passed away in Mexico. He

[62:43] drowned in the last Kenyatta's waves

[62:45] pool. Really sad to share this news as

[62:48] his passion was sports betting and he

[62:49] always told us that heartbreak emoji.

[62:52] April 8, 2005, September 1st, 2025." And

[62:56] then I tweeted me dead. Nah, I just

[62:59] wanted to shake things up for what I got

[63:01] back. Who's ready for some plays tonight

[63:04] from a ghost? Hashtag back from the

[63:07] grave. Uh Joe,

[63:09] >> I loved it. I loved that.

[63:11] >> It says, "This might be the biggest

[63:12] solution I've ever seen on Twitter.

[63:14] Faking your own death is a new Twitter

[63:16] engagement low." Go ahead, George, Jeff.

[63:18] >> I just It's one of my favorites of the

[63:20] whole year. You want to like,

[63:23] you know, like who could do that? How do

[63:25] you do that? But my brain just like I

[63:28] died of laughter at that point.

[63:31] >> From the grave card has to be like one

[63:33] of the best cards of all time from

[63:35] everything he won. He does it say he

[63:37] died in a wave pool.

[63:38] >> THAT THAT THAT'S the part that I can't

[63:41] remember spec the specifics of that. The

[63:44] last kinyatta's wave poolool like

[63:47] tragically wrong.

[63:49] Every part of this just sticks every

[63:52] part. Honestly, I'm a size package.

[63:56] >> Salvo Bats. Oh man. I will say a guy

[63:59] made a name for himself. I never [ __ ]

[64:00] heard of him until the the wave.

[64:02] >> I haven't heard of him since.

[64:04] >> That's true. I guess I haven't heard of

[64:05] him. Maybe he actually did die in the

[64:07] wave in the last kinyatta's wave

[64:09] poolool.

[64:09] >> Uh then now we're gonna move into

[64:12] October and this is where we really hit

[64:15] a historical milestone for 2025. We hit

[64:19] the century

[64:21] minus 100 units uh from Steve Feeds pig

[64:25] selling service in 2025. But important

[64:28] thing to preface this is that he was up

[64:31] 250 units from 2020 to 2024 which is

[64:33] important. So if you've been tailing him

[64:35] since 2020, you're still up and still

[64:37] doing very much fine. Rob said, "Turns

[64:39] out Blue Horseshoe's new high volume

[64:41] strategy was really just a speedrun to

[64:43] going broke. Congrats on minus 100x." Uh

[64:46] Adrian Badgerski posted the proof proof

[64:49] of history. The year to date was the

[64:51] time minus 101.8. Last time Jason told

[64:54] me on Monday was at minus18.

[64:57] I'm I I still think we're we're in the

[64:59] historical range where we'll finish the

[65:00] year minus 100. Is that true Rob?

[65:02] >> As of recording he's minus18.36

[65:06] on

[65:06] >> however in 2020 2024.

[65:08] >> Correct. Plus 250.

[65:10] >> Okay. Uh there was a post that was

[65:13] unfortunately deleted here but Adrian

[65:14] Bad drives a correction. This is the

[65:16] second time Fezic hit the century mark

[65:17] in units lost. That's reported there.

[65:19] I'm reading off the tweeted. That's not

[65:21] my words necessarily. 2017 he only

[65:24] needed four and a half months to get

[65:26] there. That is again according to Adrien

[65:27] Badgerski. Um and good distinction here.

[65:31] Beat Al's 44 says I assume this doesn't

[65:34] include the fees his poor literally and

[65:37] figuratively clients fork over. So no,

[65:38] if you've been tailing the plays, you

[65:40] are down over a hundred units on the

[65:42] season. if you started tailing in 2025

[65:44] that is. And you were also paying for

[65:47] this service. So you're down more than

[65:49] the minus 118 or thereabouts in units.

[65:52] Uh Rob, this was really a historical

[65:54] milestone.

[65:54] >> Yeah. But you're you're trashing the guy

[65:55] as if he's not giving a free dinner to

[65:57] all the people who lost on the service.

[65:59] I mean, at least he's buying them dinner

[66:01] after the fact.

[66:02] >> Sagenos.

[66:03] >> Yeah. I don't know what's what's I I

[66:05] listen, you guys know my opinion on Fez

[66:09] at this point. There's obviously some

[66:10] beef. The biggest thing to me is that

[66:13] like he does he what he he compares

[66:15] himself to others in the space all the

[66:17] time and especially to me you know well

[66:21] like Rob loses you know look at the

[66:23] forward progress record look at the hit

[66:25] the books record look at this and

[66:26] whatever it's like we're very honest

[66:28] with the audience AND WE DON'T [ __ ]

[66:29] SELL THE PLAYS how do we not see the

[66:31] difference here one like one way or

[66:33] another we're content creators we're

[66:35] trying to give out plays that win he's

[66:37] selling a service that's down a lot I

[66:40] mean at this point. There's nothing

[66:41] really more to say on it. I that I

[66:43] haven't said in the past before. It's

[66:44] getting crazy, Kirk.

[66:46] >> Well, it's just crazy that like the

[66:48] February story that Fez was in, like at

[66:51] that point, Fez was still like the the

[66:53] meme that Peanut always says of like

[66:55] Fezics a winning sports better, but blah

[66:58] blah blah. Like, yeah,

[66:59] >> now that he is this being a speedrun

[67:02] into like, wow, now he's down a hundred

[67:05] units on his service. Like it's crazy to

[67:08] think that like in January I would have

[67:10] thought Fezic was a winning sports

[67:11] better.

[67:12] >> Yep. Same. I mean I I Go ahead Peanut.

[67:15] >> In March I thought he was a winning

[67:16] sports bender who thought 17year-olds

[67:18] were attractive.

[67:22] >> But now he's a loser as well. You know

[67:25] like the thing that really gets me about

[67:27] the whole thing is that along the like

[67:30] the service went down and then he he's

[67:32] like nobody has an edge on sides or

[67:34] totals anymore. like no one has an edge.

[67:37] were pivoting and he started like firing

[67:39] all these props Matt and and like taking

[67:42] them literally taking them from other

[67:44] touts and like other places and other

[67:46] pieces of content and releasing them and

[67:49] continuing to lose and then like firing

[67:52] teas like at the beginning of the year

[67:53] it's like no teasers this year like no

[67:56] one has the teaser prices that we need

[67:57] to bet now all of a sudden teasers are

[67:59] back like anything to try to just scrape

[68:02] by and get some more units back on the

[68:04] table. It's so nuts at this point. It's

[68:07] It's honestly like it if I was writing a

[68:10] comedy skit for like Saturday Night Live

[68:13] that you could just take exactly what's

[68:16] happened in real time for this guy over

[68:17] the year and it it would it would make

[68:19] every better laugh. Staying in the same

[68:22] month here, we had this two pick parlay

[68:25] from at bet with the boys, the minus

[68:27] 652leg

[68:30] SGP, which contained the Clemson money

[68:33] line at minus 558 and the Penn State

[68:37] money line at minus 274. Now, if

[68:41] something sounds off about that, it's

[68:42] because it is. If he had just taken the

[68:44] Clemson money line on its own, he would

[68:46] have had a better price at minus 558

[68:49] than the two-legg SGP at minus 652. He

[68:53] says this is the most $767

[68:57] in the history of the world. Step one,

[69:00] deposit 5K to Novig. Step two, win 767.

[69:04] Step three, enjoy your winnings. Now,

[69:07] what also happened with this, not only

[69:08] was it incredibly stupid to post this,

[69:11] Penn State lost. Therefore, the bet lost

[69:14] and he could have just gotten a better

[69:15] price and a winning bet had he just bet

[69:19] on the Clemson money line. BA Analytics

[69:22] Porter, who we've seen on the Friday

[69:23] edition of this show, said, "I really

[69:25] appreciate your customers. They are

[69:26] deeply needed for the betting

[69:28] ecosystem." And then he says, "My guy,

[69:30] it was a joke. Jesus Christ almighty."

[69:33] And there were a lot of people like

[69:35] Angry Mike Shia, sorry if I said that

[69:38] wrong. Says, "No, it wasn't. Shut the

[69:40] [ __ ] up." There were a lot of replies

[69:42] that said that this in fact was not a

[69:44] joke. It's not that long ago. Do we

[69:45] remember this one?

[69:46] >> Oh yeah. I mean this is like a Foszen

[69:49] bit except the guy that did it is a

[69:51] complete [ __ ] That's the way I I I

[69:54] could see Foszen leaning into something

[69:56] like you know big parlay a couple big

[69:59] money line favorites or something like

[70:00] that but the guy didn't realize that the

[70:03] price was actually there. There will not

[70:05] there there's actually been two really

[70:06] bad bets this year. It's been this guy.

[70:08] And there was one guy who made a bet

[70:10] that actually couldn't win. I don't know

[70:12] if you recall that recently as well. He

[70:14] bet like some sort of combination on

[70:16] DraftKings that couldn't possibly win

[70:18] college basketball game. Right.

[70:19] >> Right.

[70:20] >> Th those can't be t these people are

[70:22] beyond help. Like there's no helping

[70:24] someone who cannot look at that when

[70:26] they're adding like a leg to a parlay

[70:29] and don't realize it pays worse than

[70:31] just a single.

[70:32] >> So it happened because of the quirks

[70:33] with prediction markets and and the

[70:35] parlay engine that they're that they're

[70:37] currently uh rolling out which is why

[70:39] this could happen not wouldn't happen

[70:40] necessarily at a traditional sports

[70:42] book. I was gonna say this might be the

[70:43] only time in history

[70:45] >> that this will ever happen like going

[70:48] forward or has happened in the past that

[70:50] because like that's obviously a glitch

[70:51] of a new prediction market parlay. So he

[70:55] might be the only person to ever lose a

[70:57] bet in this.

[70:58] >> I wouldn't be so sure about that because

[70:59] that was Novig and Flop's there now and

[71:01] he likes to steal from from people as

[71:04] well. So you never know. I have put in

[71:06] uh extra leg to an SGP bet before to

[71:10] which made the odds worse because I

[71:12] wanted to disguise the action in the

[71:13] [ __ ] leg lost. So actually I have

[71:16] specifically done this

[71:18] >> maybe before parlay I'm saying parlay

[71:22] not not SGP

[71:23] >> I think we found peanut batter's burner.

[71:25] No this guy.

[71:28] >> Uh we move into November. This is the

[71:29] last month that we're going to cover on

[71:31] the best of the year because in December

[71:33] I feel this stuff is already quite

[71:34] fresh. We're going to go into November.

[71:36] Two pieces of content remaining. This

[71:38] one got a huge laugh out of the Monday

[71:40] show. Greg Aaronburgg said, "Should bets

[71:43] be voided? Here's a new angle that you

[71:45] probably haven't considered when it

[71:46] comes to avoiding kicker props." So Stu

[71:48] Grogan says, "So they should void the

[71:50] people that would have the over and take

[71:53] the loss, the under. Would love that,

[71:54] but you can't have it both ways." Greg

[71:57] says, "Nothing should ever void." So six

[72:00] God at LA Ram CEO proposed this theory.

[72:03] So, at kickoff, some crazy fan runs onto

[72:06] the field with a bomb strapped to their

[72:07] chest and completely blows up and takes

[72:10] the kicker out with them. They stop the

[72:12] game to clean up the mess and resume.

[72:14] They shouldn't void that kicker's over

[72:16] under on points or field goals made. Uh

[72:18] Kirk, do you think in that scenario we

[72:20] might get a void on their player props?

[72:22] >> Yeah, I sto I stood with with God Tio or

[72:26] whatever his name is. I agree.

[72:28] >> And in that scenario, they should void.

[72:30] I do agree.

[72:31] >> Okay. Glad glad we are we are able to

[72:33] get that distinction there. Uh maybe

[72:36] sometimes

[72:38] >> it's like the the scene from Batman like

[72:41] with Bane with like HINES WARD. HE'S THE

[72:44] GUY WHO'S LIKE I'VE GOT THE TOUCHDOWN.

[72:46] THAT COUNTS. THAT COUNTS. I've got him

[72:50] erupting to flames.

[72:52] >> Yeah.

[72:53] >> Maybe just maybe we we'd get a void in

[72:56] in an instance like that. That that's a

[72:58] that's a Hall of Fame tweet in my like

[73:00] if we had just a Hall of Fame single

[73:02] singular tweets, I will never read that

[73:06] back and not laugh. If you give me a

[73:08] month in between that and I read it

[73:10] back, I'm going to laugh every single

[73:12] >> There's like that and then the T-Bone

[73:13] tweet. I think those are

[73:14] >> T-bone.

[73:15] >> Those are the ones that kind of

[73:16] immortalize.

[73:17] >> But you need the context of the T-Bone.

[73:19] Like if you don't know the context

[73:21] behind it, you you're not going to get

[73:22] it. this one. Anyone who bets could read

[73:25] it and be like, "This is the most insane

[73:27] example that this guy has." Like, how

[73:29] did that even pop into his head? Like,

[73:31] yeah.

[73:32] >> He's looking for some, hey, you think

[73:34] nothing should ever get voided. Well, I

[73:36] >> Well, he's looking for it's void

[73:37] culture. Hashtag void culture as the

[73:40] boomers would do.

[73:41] >> Yeah, absolutely. And the final thing

[73:43] that has made it to the best of the

[73:45] year, I think I think it had to be the

[73:47] best way to end the show. Rob tweeting

[73:49] weekly tradition. People complain the

[73:51] NFL is unwatchable, then spend the next

[73:53] Sunday watching and betting every game.

[73:55] If it's truly a bad product is a simple

[73:57] solution, stop. So on the Monday show,

[73:59] we pulled up all the old tweets of Rob

[74:02] who said I talked about how unwatchable

[74:05] the NFL is. He was not aware of this

[74:08] segment going into the show. Jeff

[74:10] masterminded it behind the scenes. I put

[74:12] it together. Kirk was aware of it. And

[74:14] Rob, you got called out live on Circle

[74:18] Back. How did this feel?

[74:20] Um, in the moment, what it took me about

[74:23] 30 seconds to realize what was happening

[74:26] because I saw these tweets coming up on

[74:28] screen and I read the first one which

[74:30] had unwatchable in it. Unwatchable

[74:32] without the use of recreational drugs

[74:34] and then I knew I got God and at that

[74:37] point I had to own it. Uh, I I I didn't

[74:41] know these existed obviously or I

[74:42] wouldn't have my take. But that's it. I

[74:45] mean, listen, I I I preach this every

[74:47] single week on Circles Off. When you see

[74:49] a [ __ ] tweet, like, don't delete it.

[74:51] Just [ __ ] own up to it. And uh I

[74:54] mean, what really bothers me about that

[74:57] as a whole is I didn't think you guys

[75:00] were clever enough to hatch up a scheme

[75:02] like that. Like, that was in the moment.

[75:05] I don't know who masterminded this out

[75:08] of you three.

[75:08] >> Somebody messaged Jeff. Jeff relayed it

[75:11] to me and then I put it together for the

[75:13] show. And then I I guess Jeff told Kirk

[75:15] ahead of time,

[75:16] >> right? So the originator was outside of

[75:18] this group and you guys were just Steam

[75:19] chasers basically, which makes a lot of

[75:21] sense. Makes more sense in my head.

[75:23] >> But Jeff came to me with the idea and we

[75:25] absolutely ran with it. And I think

[75:27] that's the best way to end off the the

[75:30] the year 2025. This is the end of year

[75:34] special. We're going to be back on

[75:35] Monday with our typical live show, but

[75:36] we do our shows every Monday live at

[75:38] 1:00 p.m. Eastern time and every Friday

[75:40] 8 a.m. Eastern time for the time being.

[75:41] So make sure you're subscribed to

[75:42] channel. Rob, uh, as CEO, creator, this

[75:45] is like circle back as your brainchild.

[75:47] This is like a show you tried to launch

[75:49] for a while. Let's give you the last

[75:50] word of the year.

[75:51] >> Yeah, just appreciate everyone who tunes

[75:53] in to all these episodes. Obviously,

[75:55] couldn't do it without you guys. Uh, we

[75:57] pivoted to a live format for Mondays

[75:58] this year. That's been, you know, really

[76:00] wellreceived. And there'll be some

[76:02] changes down the road on this channel as

[76:03] well. Uh, you know, obviously trying to

[76:05] deviate away from the spaces stuff more

[76:07] as the year's gone on, but uh, I have a

[76:10] lot of fun doing this show. I know our

[76:12] crew does. So, your support means a lot

[76:14] to all of us because we do put in a lot

[76:16] of effort to get these shows together.

[76:17] So, just want to wish everyone a happy

[76:19] new year. Hope you have great holidays.

[76:21] Hope your 2026 is great and onwards and

[76:24] upwards for the circles off channel in

[76:26] 2026. Hopefully, we'll have you stick

[76:28] around with us.