00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
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00:26 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Viewers and listeners are advised to form their own opinions it's circle back, part of the hammer betting network and presented by underdog. I'm your host, rob pazola joined to my left. It's kirk evans, it's jeff feinberg. It's jacob gromenia producing today. We have a jam-packed show ready for you today. Bunch of topics to talk about. Before we do, make sure that if you're not subbed here on Circles Off, you do click that subscribe button. Over 50% of you watching last week are not subbed to the channel. Doesn't take much, just hit subscribe and if you do enjoy the content, do let us know. Hit that thumbs up down below Tells us that we're doing something good. Also helps with the youtube algorithm. So sub, hit that like button. But let's get right into it. Jacob, zero tolerance. What do we got here? 

01:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
so this story came from the ceo of dub club but it originated with some investigative work done by spinfluencer. I think this is some of the best stuff that he's done as of late, coming out with a bit of an expose, if you will, on a on a user called AtMoodForBets who was consistently sharing screenshots of these big tickets on FanDuel where they were claiming to hit these insane lottos on a regular basis. Spinfencer wrote here what the Dub Club scammer failed to realize is that FanDuel adds the total wager amount into the one-on on FanDuel payout. So in this instance, here there's a screenshot from at Mood for Bets that shows a Chris Dunn first basket for the Clippers plus 500, $1,800. One on FanDuel was 9,000. But, as Spinfluencer points out correctly, if on FanDuel, the one on FanDuel would include the original stake in the winnings. So it says 9,000 instead of 10,800. This is not the only example of such. Spinfluencer also points out that this Yong FC Utrecht was 1,600 total wager plus 340, and it should say 1,740, but instead it says 1,540, because again the Photoshop, I guess, or the shopped image here does not include the correct outcome from FanDuel, so very under the radar but should have been more easily spotted, I would suggest. So. 

02:59
Spinfinter called this person out, a lot of people jumped on it and the CEO of Dub Club came on Twitter to defend the platform. This is from Ryan Gartner, I guess Sorry if I mispronounce names. By the way, we'll talk about more later. We have zero tolerance policy for misleading people on Dub Club underscore win, especially if you fake plays Per our terms of service. Earlier today our team deplatformed a Dub Club partner due to multiple allegations from users, which it's not confirmed, but I'm going to very much assume it comes from at moodforbets. Here. 

03:33
Dub Club exists to help people win more together, but if you know anything about Dub Club, it's a pick-selling service. It acts as basically the middleman service, acts as basically the middleman. It is something that helps pick sellers find more customers to sell picks to and it's a good business model. But, as many rightfully pointed out, if you're going to de-platform people for misleading their users, that kind of takes away from the entire service. Because Fozen Poker says here what about the long-term losers pretending to be profitable sports bettors, which makes up a majority of your pick sellers? That way people can actually win together? And then Prenstasy says this won't happen because their entire motto turns to dust, which indeed it does. 

04:18
Fosen also said they contacted me when I was posting Le10, so LeBron 10 plus points and NFL Moneyline Parlay's LMFAO. How are those types of bets helping people win more together? Are you serious? Hey guys, make sure to bet LeBron to score 10 points and parlay the Moneyline favorites this week. Thanks for the subscription money. And it's some screenshots of Dub Club reaching out Our own people on the panel here. You have some experience with Dub Club reaching out, do you not? 

04:47 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I have been reached out to by Dub Club, I think Jeff, several times has received Dub Club DMs before. 

04:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I got three going back to early 2023, and then as early as this January, rob. I just went to look at it. I've never replied to any of them. I didn't even notice that. This one from a year ago. In November, they sent me a link to my own content previewing the Bermuda Championship golf tournament. Okay, like a nut, low football season golf tournament. This content is fire. Awesome stuff. Are you giving all your content away for free on YouTube these days? Question mark we can grow your business. This is from February of this year. We can grow your business an additional 20% with our ecosystem and marketing. What do we need to do to get you to join? 

05:43 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I got Tuesday, february 25th. If I told you partnering with Dub Club would make you significantly more money, would that open your mind to a 20-minute chat, no strings attached? I did respond with. Are you trolling me and I did not receive a response? 

05:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Imagine you are like a lower, like you just have a couple thousand followers. You are selling picks Like that's probably. And you're newer, like it's probably. Really flattering to think like, oh, they're reaching out to me, they want me to be part of their, their ecosystem. 

06:16 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It is my understanding because a lot of people have messaged me about um, not just this platform, others before where the tactic is to just like it's basically like law of numbers, right reach out to as many people, as they literally will reach out to people who don't even bet on sports to say, like you, this is an opportunity for you to show what you're made of. It's getting as many people on the platform as possible. I mean, candidly, the business model for dub club. I know that they did like uh, we talked about this. They did a capital raise, I want to say a few months ago, where they I don't remember the valuation, you know I should have had my ducks in a row beforehand, but they raised that a pretty decent valuation. The business model is really good, like when you consider the state of the space, but it's also incredibly frustrating to see the ceo of the company go on and on about like protecting the integrity and like the entire business model is built off of deception, if we're calling it out for what it is yeah, so one. 

07:13 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I've got a catch me up to speed on your 2024 plans. Where will you be sharing most of your MMA content this year? I don't know where they got that from but copy and pasted the wrong message you bet a lot of MMA, don't you? Literally never bet MMA in my life. I thought you were tailing a man of the library. 

07:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
So Epic 21 fight, win streak or whatever. 

07:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Other than that, but they should send a man of the library that message. But yeah, it's one of those things. Like you said, it's a really good business model and someone is going to always fill that vacuum. But that still doesn't mean that you're not a piece of shit for being the one who fills that vacuum, Because it is such a bad, shitty product, Especially having the tagline let's win more together, which is just clearly ridiculous. But also, I like the idea of this terms and conditions that if anyone misrepresents themselves like Spinfluencer is the one who found this. I would like to see Dub Club present us with any other person that they've done an investigation on and found was misleading their clients or their subs and kicked off the platform, Not some random Twitter account who it then went to their attention. 

08:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Maybe investigate at SGP underscore Vic, who quote tweeted the post from Ryan, the CEO of Dublin, said appreciate you guys looking into it and taking immediate action. We will continue to clean up the gambling space for everyone. Sgp underscore Vic, notorious for also perhaps some fraudulent record keeping. And DK double underscore DFS says insert try not to laugh GIF. So yeah, I would be curious if Dub Club ever found these people internally with their investigations. 

08:54 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I agree with you, kurt Well they wouldn't because it's not in their best interest to actually do so. They just want to have as many sellers on the platform as possible. Like, I don't follow Dub Club on Twitter. I don't follow. What was the name? Ryan Gartner, the CEO? Now I've I found out that he follows me when I was prepping for the show today, but I was like okay, what are these guys regularly tweeting about? Like, what is Dub Club tweeting about? What's Ryan Gartner tweeting about? 

09:18
They are basically just promoting handicappers who are on like hot streaks on the platform. This guy won this many units in april. Don't miss out on it, or whatever. Like that, to me, is very misleading and deceptive. From what I can tell, you cannot find long-term records for anyone on dub club. I've seen ryan responding to people on twitter for months now saying, like that feature is coming, that, but it's not there. 

09:43
Like so the entire platform is built off of deception. You can't say you have a zero tolerance polity policy for misleading people when all you're doing is promoting hot streaks. They have this thing where I welcome to the like 100k club or the 250k club, where they are presenting pick sellers with like checks. It's like you've earned 250k from selling on dub club. Like that's insane that they're they're publicly. I understand why it's happening, but like from the outside looking in, if you know about sports betting, that's like basically 250k a fraud that's that's being publicly reported on at this point. That's the amount of money that people who have no business earning from fraudulent activity are earning. So honestly, I find it disgusting. This really bugs me and I get it, but just at this point, ryan, you know what your platform is. You don't have to pretend like it's something it's not. At this point, this is just extremely hypocritical. 

10:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, well, he does have to pretend, but he's still just like a piece of shit for having to do that. But obviously he couldn't come out and say, oh, we don't care about this person who's faking pics, our entire platform is misleading, but that is what he's doing. 

11:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
At this point point they just need to pee on you and tell you it's raining. Yeah, like that is essentially. You know they've built the platform. They've I don't know the number, but they've got a great um evaluation for it. Very smart idea, you know. Now they've got to. 

11:24 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
You know, churn the grift, right, but but okay, this, this particular tweet, right, putting it out there that you've bet who, who is this servicing as a client? Because, like all the recreational bettors that were are willing to buy on dub club or any pick services, they don't really give a shit like about, about, they don't it's serving his own, like permission, structure, of like acceptable, of like what he should be, of what he should do. 

12:02 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's like doing the least possible, like the lowest possible effort is getting rid of that one guy and making this tweet. That's it. 

12:08 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's the expectation that people are going to change their minds on the platform because of this tweet. 

12:12 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's an expectation, there's a fact that just we live in a super hyper niche bubble, yes, and like the conversation we're having, you know, stays in a super niche niche bubble and it doesn't penetrate the people for which they're speaking to. 

12:29 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I agree with you that, but that's kind of the point I'm getting at is like if you just go on with your day-to-day and you don't even address the situation, nothing like nothing changed this is almost like counterintuitive. It just gets people like me upset. Like if you look at the vast majority of the quote tweets and responses to this, it's not a bunch of people saying thank you for cleaning up the platform. It's like where the fuck are the pick records? Why is this guy on here? Why is that guy on there? I bought from this guy and he's a loser like. You know what I'm getting yeah, I get it. 

13:00
You're probably better off saying nothing yeah, just don't have to embrace it, it's like when Raz goes annoying and tweets about how they're losing but they're winning. 

13:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like no, you have a good service, you have a reputation, like you're better off saying nothing. I didn't mean to start that, but Can't blame Kirk this time. Throwing like the little people, throwing like you a bone here. What they're trying to do probably doesn't serve anyone any good. Doesn't serve them good. You're not satisfied and it just riles up people. But they know they're just riling up like the, the one percent I actually don't think they know. 

13:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think they tweeted this thinking like, for the person who doesn't really have an opinion on Dub Club, if they saw that story and then saw this, they would just kind of go on about their day being like, oh, dub Club's fine, and didn't think that every person who has a clue about Dub Club would go and quote, tweet this and it probably was net negative for them. But that's what I think they probably were thinking. 

14:02 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, it just seems tone deaf to me. 

14:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
For sure. 

14:05 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Your entire platform is built upon convincing people that they are sharp, like literally. If you've seen. You know Kirk didn't respond to the outreach from Dub Club. You didn't respond. I responded Are you trolling me? I didn't get a response, but I've seen they're putting air in your tires Exactly, they're pumping you up. It's like you're really hot. You could be making a lot of money off this. You're under. Have you considered like? This is the entire? 

14:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
just embrace, like don't lie to my face yeah, well, don't tell me my shitty golf video about the bermuda championship, which I probably didn't even want to do. 

14:42 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's football season was fire because it wasn't, they probably didn't even watch it. Dude, this is my whole thing. Like you have so much, we're not dumb. Don't treat people like they're dumb. That's my entire thing on it. You want to run the platform? 

14:56 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's fine. 

14:57 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
You're entitled to. It's in the space. We're entitled to have our opinions on these types of platforms. Don on these types of platforms. 

15:02 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Don't treat the audience like they are dumb and you disagree with me on that no, I mean, I feel like most corporations can just treat people like they're dumb because they are and they don't need everyone to subscribe, but they get enough. Yeah, they're, they're just they know there's enough dumb people out there who will bite the bullet. So who cares if the fucking smart you know, the smart Alec knows our, our, what we're about? There's a dumb people out there for us to get to Agreed. If we got us like, if we got to swim through like five normies to get to one Dumbo, we'll get there. 

15:41 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Straight out of the Fezzik playbook, right there with the Dumbo you guys DMing again straight out of the Fezzik playbook, right there with the Dumbo. 

15:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You guys DMing again. No, he's not Listen. I like a baseball play. Yeah, no, you don't. 

15:51 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
He's on an epic 10-1 NBA run, which immediately got me to go to pregame to check out how he's doing in baseball. You don't want the baseball plays. They've been very, very bad. You don't see mentions of that on Twitter. 

16:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I follow Steve, so is he just tweeting less? Like I feel, like I haven't I don't know, I haven't spoken to him, heard from him for a while. I think the outing of those like money line things at March Madness. 

16:19 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
You've also made a concerted effort not to include every single one of his tweets in the show anymore either. It's kind of getting to be overkill. 

16:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I think at some point hope he's having a lovely summer. Hope the laps in the pool are going well all right. 

16:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
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17:37 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Next topic is men of the library who had quite a week, quite a couple I mean. I think it was like 24 hours, Amazing stuff. 

17:52 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Before you continue, jacob, I got to give you your flowers for the rundown today and putting it as man of the library, as Jeff has been known to pronounce it before. 

17:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I got a good chuckle. We got to get there quicker. 

18:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, had to do it. Well, man of the library posted some plays ahead of some fights and, as abnormally dissed and gingy bets showcase, those plays did not win and then they were no longer seen on Twitter. So he bet a fight to go the distance at minus 550. Then later on, when the line moved against him and it was minus 480, he doubled down. He bet once again, this time at minus 480. Did not showcase the amount bet, which a lot of people don't do, but did showcase that he was willing to say price got better added at minus 480. But then, when this lost, after saying that this was I forget the exact term, oh, it was sorry, gingy Betts puts it here, not so fast. 

18:55
Mandate Library, we saw you, we all saw you give out quote, start your day with a freebie minus 550, end, quote that loss. You also blocked out your weak-ass wager amount, now deleting the post and showcased a screenshot of the deleted post and when the post was active. So I think the issue was Mandel Library actually quote-tweeted the original post, which allowed it to stay on Twitter a little bit longer, which was the mistake if you're going to delete a play after it loses, which we've showcased in the show before I remember he had like a Sixers Moneyline bet at Heavy Juice that ended up losing. That got deleted and then tried to laugh it off. 

19:37 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
We all know how scammy it is. Go ahead. It's a good thing that these grifters are so dumb, because they could get away with way more. Like the last story story. The guy couldn't figure out, like had he never been on fanduel before this story. He couldn't figure out to not delete the quote tweet as well. Like it would be hard to catch these guys if they had a brain. 

19:53 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I have a very different opinion on this entire situation. I I don't think that. I think this was entirely intentional. I I man of the library. You give him too much credit. 

20:06 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Way too much credit. 

20:08 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
You don't understand the person at his core. He is, one, a pathological liar, but two, he has main character syndrome. He needs to be the center of attention. He will watch this segment of the show four times over this week because he loves it when people talk about him like he is in every spaces every night. He's an elf. Even when they're like beefing, he still shows up. He shows up in omar. He shows up wherever he runs his own spaces. He does this all day. He needs to be the center of attention. He's been accused so many times before of deleting plays. He is in the Sean Perry camp of good or bad. I don't care why people are talking about me, they're talking about me. He even posted this week what his Twitter engagement numbers are publicly. This is what he cares about. 

21:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It is a shtickick he is Sean Perry without rich parents. Like what do you? What do you mean? 

21:11 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
well, I, I'm just saying that, like he, he knew he was going to get caught doing this, jeff he's not an idiot. He knows that he has an engaging account. He has 9,000 followers. He is not a complete moron. That's like trying to scrub this from the records. He's done this millions of what he wants. 

21:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, he knows how the cia, the cia and mossad work. Like you, you gotta scrub the record. What is there? 

21:37 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
he knows how to do that he offered an excuse for why he deleted it. 

21:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Okay, yeah, he did so, so the excuse was after people. He was starting to block people, by the way, who were calling him out and said this is the stuff that is just cancer on this app. Two more scumbags. It's people who are reaching out. I'll read the DMs here from Try Men you are the biggest bitch and you will get capped talking about this. Your daughter deserves a real man. Go suck more dick, you obese. And then there's a very racist term. 

22:08 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
That's going too far. Absolutely I would never do that. 

22:11 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It says you over guys. 

22:12 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, that's definitely going too far. I do like when somebody goes too far. The DMs I do like exposing their handle. I don't like when people post and block it out Like they deserve to get hated on. Anyways, who else wants to get blocked? And Brett finds NBA Green Beans maybe not the best person to call somebody else out but says gives out a minus 550, no sweat. Loser deletes the play. After is now whining about other people being cancerous. This guy is not human. 

22:39 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
But he's not a real human because this is not real. 

22:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Even George jumped in. Grp said good news, no more. Man of the Library on Elf Spaces. His quote unquote game scripts were the worst. But yes, this is the excuse, alex. Chris Ritz said just realized you deleted your losing bet. Care to explain. And man of the Library said someone made a very racist and hateful comment directed at a marginalized group. I felt that it was the correct thing to do that the message was not spread further. Thanks for the great question. 

23:09 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's a fucking martyr. Now, what is this even being? Can you not hide comments on Twitter? Can't you just hide a comment in the thread, like if someone made a racist or hateful comment, just hide? 

23:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
the comment. I believe you can do that, that is what I'm saying. 

23:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He is perfected bait and switching within conversations. 

23:28 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
If someone comes and keys your car, do you set the whole car on fire? Afterwards, someone will put graffiti in your garage. You don't burn down the entire house. Do you think this is true? No, I don't know if this is true. 

23:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well there might have been. 

23:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It doesn't matter if it's true, jeff, but obviously he's just seeking the attention. 

23:48 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
This is what I'm trying to get at Hang on. 

23:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Wouldn't there be more attention had he left the tweets up? 

23:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Because then people would like share those tweets, but hold on. He showed the Like. If someone said something overtly racist and gross, he would do the same thing as a lot of us would do if we got like a disgusting DM. 

24:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, we would like almost quote tweet it to put you on blast, which he did, by the way. He actually posted a racist term on his own account, like I showcase here. I blocked it out. 

24:21 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's a racist term also has accused people on spaces of being racists and then and then saying the n-word to like like. You know what I'm getting at. 

24:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's not real, this cannot be real, but sometimes it's fun, like that conversation you're referencing about him him, it was him and nidoo, yeah, and they, you know they're both. You know Jeff is friends with everyone. Yeah, well, I don't mean everyone, but like he's got like a lot of like I don't know, just them. Having the debate on saying the N-word, nadeau and Library was one of my favorites. 

24:56 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Well, if you just think about like the entire character arc of Library, like none of the stuff makes any sense, like there's definitely a pathological liar component to it. Right, he's talked about so many. 

25:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You know Floyd way may, whether on the speed dial, if you could literally like what man of the library presents himself as, like that CV, like that headline, that bio yeah, and what he actually is is actual, is crazy. 

25:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
The guy got out of bed for 1500 to get fucking rocked in the ring by the like. Think about that again. The whole arc of that. A library was on top. He went in the bathroom. Brett wouldn't go in and fight him. He had that over him for the rest of his life. Then for $1,500, he said I'm going to step in the ring with him. He got fucking clocked Embarrassing. But he's the center of attention again. It always comes back to him being the main character. 

25:56 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He's good at it. I don't know, but I do feel like you're giving him too much credit. In terms of this being calculated. I just think he is an insane person. 

26:03 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Well, that's very possible. 

26:08 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Go back to the tweet about the racist thing. This is one of the funnier tweets ever written. To just even imagine that this is true is so. This is big, it's very big, it's just the most fantasy land, but he lives in a fantasy land, so it makes sense. And when you interact with him. 

26:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
he lives in a world where everything is a Simpsons episode. Where in the Simpsons, if Marge breaks her leg in the new episode next week, she doesn't have a broken leg. Yes, so he's like. I can do anything, say anything, be anything, Pretend like it didn't happen. 

26:45 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And then next week. 

26:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's like a new episode of the Simpsons where the whole story, like there's no carryover in the story but you listening, following, watching, you like have these puzzle pieces in your mind and none of it fucking connects. This guy, like, long before boxing, was even in the elf space, vertical universe yep, from the initial elf space. He'd brag about like being a working with a trainer yeah, always a trainer, this my trainer. That no one is running a bigger grift than his fucking trainer because he's not fucking his trainer is the bo wagner of trainers. 

27:25 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yes, the guy showed up and in 30 seconds he couldn't breathe in the ring. 

27:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like he's completely out of shape, like there's, and then it's like oh, my trainer's not a boxing trainer, he's like a muay thai jujitsu trainer, like everything is a bait and switch and he's really good at it, and it probably takes five interactions with him before you realize it's happening. 

27:45 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Oh yeah, I remember the first ever time I lost it on him was on one of the spaces where I was on with him and jeff benson, where he was accusing me of like deleting his bet stamp account because he's winning too much. I wouldn't even have the access to do that like, but he makes it so that, like you're now on the defense, right, he's, it's, I, I don't. He's definitely a one of a kind. I will say that I've never encountered anyone in the space that is like. 

28:09
That's why there's grifter, that's why he's a grifter or whatever, but like one of ones rock yes and no. That's the shtick. Can get tiresome, I will admit, and and I will admit there's been times where I've had a good laugh at some of this stuff, but now it's just like In the now do you believe him and Elf's marital divorce is real or? 

28:33
fake. I don't believe it. I don't believe anything. I think the entire Elf show is at this point. I don't want to say scripted to a T, but I do believe that there's arcs, that they're working towards. 

28:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, that's what I mean. I almost see him and Elf beefing right now as a potential like next fight or like if the Perry fight falls through, then it's just like a fallback thing to go to and they've already preset this like beef to go to, and they've already preset this like beef. 

29:08 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, I, I think, like with elf and library, everything they do is for engagement is my opinion on both of them, so they will do whatever it takes let me do the other tweet here. 

29:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That library is also on blast for like same day, like while he's weathering the storm of the deleted tweet, tristan tate, who I don't like his contact nor really respect him, but he's a very big online creator, brother of andrew tate, who posted a screenshot of his exchange with man of the library. Tristan tate says I mentioned I bought my friend a lambo. And this was the common exchange typical a non-twitter loser walked into it and man of the library said so you turned him materialistic. So Tristan Tate responded and said fuck it, do you want a Lambo? I'll buy you a new one, feeling generous. And man of the Library responds yes, I'm struggling. And Tristan Tate responds bro, don't be so materialistic, you don't need a Lambo. And there were multiple people who hashtag circled back SDQL underscore Redbird Redbird Redbird Picks Trey 535 YG and Woj Shareline Dennis Robin Jr. Ask all three Thank you for the hashtag. Circle Back to help bring this to our attention as well. 

30:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Truthfully, I'd way rather get my ass beat by green beans than have this Twitter thread be public. 

30:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is a huge account, actually the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen many followers, but no no, I actually totally disagree. 

30:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
This is man of the library at his core. Yeah, just a grifter loser agreed like. This is actually the the best picture we've ever had so this is 3.4 million followers. 

30:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
who but exposed to this? But my point to you, Kirk, is that I agree with what you're saying. 

30:47 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Like if this happened to me, I would go in hiding forever. I'd just live in a cave and that's it, Like I'd never show my. But for him, he doesn't view it that way. He's not embarrassed by this interaction. There's nothing embarrassing about this because he got Tristan Tate to talk to him. This is my whole thing. It's main character syndrome. It always has been with him. We all laugh at this Hashtag circle back Ha ha, let's have a good fucking laugh. He's having a great fucking laugh too. He's not embarrassed by this interaction. 

31:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Not at all. I don't think he's embarrassed by this segment either. Like you said, now he's probably going to watch it six times he's gonna cut a little clip. 

31:24 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
He's gonna play it forever on twitter. He's gonna look. 

31:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Pazola said this he loves me, pazola loves me. I told you guys he turned back to loving me of course, but that's my like. 

31:36 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
You know, I don't know man, I I don't um, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Man of libraries irked me for a very long time, obviously he's. You know. There was accusations thrown my way, so I feel a certain way about him. I also only listen to the elf spaces nowadays when there's a topic that I'm interested in, typically one that revolves around sports betting uh, prop swap was one, the profit x and then library is always there in these ones offering his opinion. 

32:04 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That is off like I don, it's just so triggering for me when there's a yeah exactly. 

32:11
Like it's fake sharp stuff right, that's when I'm listening to the spaces of, when it's something that is like interesting to me. Like we had Alex Kane all the CEOs of the exchanges with Flop, with man of the Big, it was a good conversation, and then Elf would go man of the big, it was a good conversation. And then elf would go man of library, what do you think? And then he would talk for seven straight minutes just total nonsense, and then then it would go back to being a productive conversation and that would happen once every half an hour. So, yeah, that that is the worst. 

32:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But all right, let's go to the next topic here. This comes from Sparring With Reality SWR Betting, which is an account that does UFC betting content, and the tweet is if you like money, you like this girl this week and it's a photo. I don't follow UFC so I don't know who this fighter is, but it's a photo of a UFC fighter that they're suggesting you bet on. And then they quote tweet their own tweet and say this post has 25 bookmarks. Honest question how big of a loser do you have to be to bookmark someone's take on a fight in the hopes of coming back if they're wrong to then shit on them? Hashtag beta bitch boys. Hashtag sit, you sit when you pee. How do we feel about? 

33:26 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I think, people bookmarking I also had the same thought on the bookmarks yeah, they're bookmarking her. 

33:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, the picture. They like the picture I agree. 

33:36 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I typically speaking. There is a much uh higher ratio of like bookmarks to views when there is a female and you think like a Taylor Mathis video is getting bookmarked. 

33:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, when no way for the pics. So I can like make fun of her losing pics after no, you, some people maybe okay, but like the ratio of the 25 people? Yeah, was 24 fucking horny guys who watch the UFC think she's hot like the shredded angle and one guy who might want to fucking troll you if you lose, there are people who would bookmark to troll at a later time. 

34:16 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I also don't think and maybe I'm guilty I bookmark lots of stuff for this show. A lot of times it will be people who take a stance on an opinion and if it's wrong we could talk about it. Can you see who bookmarks? 

34:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't remember. No, you cannot see who bookmarks. 

34:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I don't believe it's loser behavior to bookmark. I actually think that's what Twitter was invented for, Like you put a take out there. You're publicly going to put a take out there. 

34:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If you are wrong, you gotta fucking suffer, you gotta own it. Agreed. The one thing like the only thing I've ever done on twitter or where my wife will be like that's creepy or weird is if there is like a holiday picture of the kids or something and that gets bookmarked. That's messed up, dude. 

35:01 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, that's you're like and it's always like a couple but all right, so don't post families to twitter. 

35:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Man, I, I posted like a family get together on instagram. Man, I only use twitter. 

35:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Fuck the other picture books, yeah but the thing I will say, getting more on track to this, assuming anyone was actually bookmarking this for the tweet, I do think. If you think the play is bad comment in real time not bookmarking it so you can circle back afterwards and dunk on them. But I do agree that that's kind of what Twitter is and you should just expect it. 

35:39 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
People are going to come with receipts on any opinion that you publicly have on Twitter, Unless you're a man in the library deleting them all. They are going to exist forever and you just got to own it. 

35:50 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You got to be like. 

35:52 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I think he's also just missed the point. 

35:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's one appropriate tweet that could have got sent out here. This post has 24 bookmarks. A lot of my followers have a severe case of the hornies. That's the tweet, not this tweet. That's the tweet. 

36:09 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I'm with you, I agree Definitely. And also, just in response, I personally do not believe it's loser behavior after the fact to roast somebody. 

36:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But to Kirk's point, you should be a little bit more vocal with your opinions before it happens, like if you're going to have this like extensive back and forth with them about why their pick sucks, yeah then yeah, you got to say something before. If someone just like chirped some, a player you like or a team you like or a side you're riding and you don't like the guy, you can fuck it well, like fluff has gone on the record about the Cavs winning the East, right. 

36:46 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I'm pretty sure that's been the back and forth where he's like totally mispriced, the Cavs are going to win the East and whatever. And there's been a back and forth like people responding I don't agree, you're an idiot. Whatever you want to say, that's fine. But like it would certainly bother me afterwards if I was flop and people who like didn't weigh in beforehand then came into pile on. 

37:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But that's gonna happen, it will okay, fine. But if I am flop like flop is betting at a level of money where it's like I don't care that you chirp me, that I lost, I'm mad that I lost the money, yeah, yeah, for sure, like that's it like a chirp isn't gonna make him feel bad. It's him thinking about how many, how much, how many orders he put out on that. Bet right, totally like. That's what's going to bug him, not someone be like haha, you're wrong. 

37:31 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah well, I I mean, if I go through my bookmarks from last year, which I haven't deleted, like I've definitely bookmarked tweets where people make like opinions on things, where I'm like I definitely want to torch this guy when this is wrong afterwards how many are revealing pictures of women in your no like? 

37:48
there was one from jj gruden last year, I can't remember what it was. There is a zero percent chance. Both the nba and nhl finals have both series. Have two teams lead three. Nothing going big on the oilers. That was one. I never got the chance to go back in on him afterwards, but like that's got to be one of the dumbest tweets ever like of all time, yeah like literally irrelevant nba. 

38:11
Yeah, like they're conspiring to like I don't, I don't understand, but I do bookmark tweets all the time with the intent of and some people will say, bookmark this and revisit. I fucking bookmark it, I'll, I will bookmark it and I will revisit it when you're wrong. And if you're right, I'm never gonna say anything I told people to put. 

38:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I made fun of new york sports fans thinking, well, something about the rider cup. Nonetheless, I just checked the last tweet I bookmarked and you're right, it's got a lot of those vibes. It's someone who gave the Chargers draft grade an F, so I guess I'm just going to want right. Yeah, I got it. 

38:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think that's a better bookmark than the Gruden tweet, because the Gruden tweet you can dunk on in live time and it's still so stupid even if it doesn't happen. Yeah, like, to me that's different Versus the draft grade you have to bookmark because you can't really disagree in live time you can only draft grades are stupid, but totally. 

39:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But like, yeah, that is your like, who cares? But I want that in the chamber for when, like, the fourth round pick is like a three touchdown game or something I will definitely for sure. 

39:20 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Though, if someone puts a prediction out there and they say bookmark this, I guarantee you, if I see it, I do bookmark it. 

39:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But you have to remember Like someone made that insert. Sports take here, yeah. 

39:35 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I've been known to be the guy that goes on these mass retweeting sprees. Whenever something happens, I'm not proud of it. You have to be like timely like you can't. 

39:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yes, retweet something about the nba. A guy making a wrong playoff prediction in like august. 

39:50 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Like I got you, you got, you got to get it right away. You have to remember. I know it's tough. 

39:53 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You almost got to send like calendar reminders we're getting into like way and then they exactly like sickness territory. 

39:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's like actual work going into this and that's not what you wanted exactly exactly. 

40:04 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Before we get to our next topic, I want to tell you a little bit more about the hammer betting network. Hey, quick break from the show. If you've been listening to circles off for a long time now, you already know me. I'm rob pazola. I'm one of the hosts here, but I'm also the ceo of the hammer betting network and I want to take a second to tell you what we're all about. At the hammer, we're building a sports betting content network. That's different. We're not selling you fake rolexes, rented sports cars or some other lifestyle fantasy. We're not here to bs our way into clicks or followers. We're fully transparent with our audience. We actually bet, we show and keep track of our records, and we built this network for people who want real, honest insight into how sports betting works from people who live it every day. You can find all of our content over at thehammerbet, but if you're on YouTube, that's where most of the action is. We've got Hit the Books with Joey Kanish and Brad Powers one of the best college football shows out there and Forward Progress for the NFL featuring myself, hitman Suma, judah Fortgang and a whole lot more every angle every week from people who actually bet the game. So if you're enjoying Circles Off and you want more content that actually respects your intelligence, subscribe to our other channels on YouTube. Just search for them on YouTube. You'll find them all. No gimmicks, no garbage, just real content for real bettors. 

41:29
All right, per usual, every week, we do like to dive into the comments from the week prior. Please utilize that comment section down below. Let us know what you think about any of the topics we talked about today. Is man of the Library real? Is he fake? What do you think about the Dub Club stuff? Also, that tweet we just showed earlier did he get the bookmarking right or wrong? It definitely was bookmarked because of the female aspect. Let's be real here. But we'd like your comments down below and, of course, use hashtag Circle Back on Twitter. We review that hashtag when we prep for the show every week. We try to incorporate as many things that you want to talk about as possible. Going back to last week's comments, we talked about Shader Sanders and the prank call that was issued to him. Xlf4475 said this was a list of phone numbers for projected first round picks, not a list of drone strike locations. The outrage is comical and outsized literally a harmless prank. I think we all kind of agreed on that last week. There was some big fines handed down. 

42:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's not harmless. 

42:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, exactly that's where I would disagree here. I don't think it's harmless. 

42:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It only became not harmless, because he slid. 

42:38 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yes. 

42:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If he goes 45 minutes later, it is then a harm. They thought they were. I'm not condoning it, it was bad. They thought they were committing something that would have landed far less harmless than it ended up being. The guy went day three. 

42:54 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Agreed. I think some people went way over the top on that particular one. Lior Kozai 3168. Guys, cousin Sal wrote a book called Something Like you Can't Lose them All. His whole shtick is being a terrible D-Gen better, I don't think anyone who follows him actually expects winning betting advice. He's just a funny guy on the Bill Simmons podcast during football season. 

43:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
um isn't that what we said? Isn't that how we close the segment though? 

43:21 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
yeah, like you say, he's got barstool like big cap portnoy right, I still think and maybe I'm on an island here I still think with like the rec content creators, almost like the comedian type of. I still think that there is an onus to like not overdo it sometimes, like if you don't know who, like everyone knows who Cousin Sal is, but if you don't, like in the small minority and you saw that, you might actually think that like this system bears some fruit. I get it. 

43:50
I think it depends on how you're presenting it. Yes, route. 

43:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I, I think it depends on how you're presenting it. Yes, I do agree with you that, if you like, are just on twitter and you're like a degenerate gambler and you're actually not familiar with cousin sal, yeah, or the joke part of his like gambling universe. You see that. You see the followers. You're like oh, this guy thinks he's on to something. We had a friend I mean our buddy, tim anderson once, yeah, and he tweeted like he likes this team. Tonight, yeah, a guy after the fact wrote I think great call man, I put my mortgage on it. He's never put out that he likes a game again, right, ever. Yeah, on the podcast. 

44:29
He might do it because people actually listen the podcast, no, about like fading him, yeah, fading like, but he was so rattled at the thought of that, yeah, that he's like and I so. I mean, he's a bright guy, I don't like. He just, I guess, thought better to people might do that, because they just see something. But it's crazy, I don't know. Yeah, sorry, well, it's like I got excited, does? 

44:55 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
the onus. Come on, like the person consuming that content, to like parse it. I get that part as well. Like you had this issue with um odds. John hyslop right, yeah, remember, he was tweeting this stuff of like. You know, if you're down bad, today is a great day to bet it all and win it back or something along the paraphrasing and you didn't like that every day now, 99 of his followers like they know that that's the shtick. 

45:19
Where's the line between you know, not putting like it's a sarcastic tweet but a lot of people might not get it. And it's the same thing with cousin sal, right, like if that's just like a recreational shtick, fine, but there's some people that are just not going to get it. Is there any onus on the person putting that out? 

45:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't know he wants to say no, like you are. When you tweet that your cousin sal, you're communicating, at least if in my head, to your audience, right to your people, to your followers. So I gotta, I gotta, say that'shonest, I get like being sensitive to it and aware of it, and maybe as simple as plating like a crooked tongue out the mouth emoji, so people knows, like maybe adds a little context to it. But I don't think they can bear any responsibility. 

46:08 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, it's a tough one for me. I just really think it's how you present it, like if a neutral party could read the tweet and it seems like the person earnestly thinks this is like an amazing opportunity, then you've maybe gone too far. But if it's just like kind of part of your brand and you're tweeting like you normally do and people know, then I agree the onus starts falling on the person. Like I am extremely sarcastic with my tweets. 

46:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
That's who I am as a person, though, and it's just like my twitter is an extension of of who I am. I I live my life publicly, and there are people who do respond to me, thinking that the tweets are serious sometimes, and then I respond and they say sarcasm like doesn't translate well over twitter or whatever. I I try to let people know. But yeah, at some point it's just like you can't, you're not gonna appease everybody like you. You simply can't do that. And uh, yeah, cousin sal, whatever, I think we all kind of know that. I don't want to call him a joke, but like he's not. 

47:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But it's like guys like obsessed with the team and like a big game. It's like I'm laying it all on this team tonight and 99 followers know you're just like a hardcore fan boy well, trent does that every day as an example, right Mortal money. 

47:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Keep him out of Toronto, keep that man away from Toronto and we all know it's a shtick At some point. 

47:22 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
you just deal with it. By the way, not just Logan Evans. There was at least 20 people who clarified the difference between barbecue and grill last week. Bbq barbecue most commonly refers to the type of food in the US. When someone says Texas or Kansas City has good barbecue, they have good meat ribs, brisket, burnt heads, pulled pork and or barbecue sauce. 

47:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I don't think we were confused about that. All the commentators are like this is all everything we said and we understood that. 

47:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
At the very least it's not like a condescending way of saying it, he's just trying to genuinely explain, but we, we get it, we know and my mouth like I lick my lips just reading that message. Man, I could go for some barbecue like right after this, I I some brisket sounds good man yeah, but no, we we would. 

48:09 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
We call barbecue, like ribs, brisket. 

48:12 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, that's barbecue, my favorite barbecue in the city. The guy got shut down and went to jail essentially because he stayed open during COVID. Yeah, which is his own thing. I remember that. But here we are, years later and couldn't you just follow the rules so I can go have my favorite barbecue? It's close, gone. 

48:31 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
He's like gone. We have a really good spot up in Woodbridge, memphis barbecue. I think I've made it. Maybe I didn't take you there before. 

48:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, when I go with you, we only go to Ricci's. 

48:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Oh yeah, If. 

48:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm going up there. It's the only yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

48:45 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
All right. Well, we were debating the actual appliance grill versus grill versus barb and for us I, if someone, if someone said to me like the grill, I know exactly what they're talking about. But someone could also say like the barbecue, and I would also know what they're talking about I would use barbecue more often than grill, if I was going out back to grill some burgers, I'd be on the barbecue. 

49:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There you come over like we're having a barbecue. Yes, isn't that how we would say it? Yes, we would say that as well. Yeah. 

49:19 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Listen, we're north of the border. Here we have some Canadianisms. It is what it is. 

49:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'll respect it, like because I respect the ribs, the brisket, the pulled pork, yeah. 

49:31 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I'll do it. I the. The origin of this was that we were calling the appliance a barbecue and americans were saying what the hell are you talking about? That is a grill. Yeah, and that's just the difference in terminology. Yes, yeah, plain and simple parentheses square brackets, you know, washroom, restroom, bathroom, yeah all these things. Uh, a web 11, 10 drink every time jacob mispronounces genti I didn't even notice yeah, he was. 

49:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
How do you? 

49:58 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
see he was saying gt a lot last week nobody corrected me, I I feel bad. I mean, we, we fucked up a lot. You also, jacob did uh, you, I listened to the friday show. 

50:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You said zelly, which I've said before as well I have never heard that word out loud in my life until then, because we have e-transfer in canada, which is way more convenient we do not have zell in canada. 

50:22 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It is foreign to us. We would never ever use it or hear the word. There's no advertising. All we've ever seen is we don't have venmo. Yeah, we don't have Venmo. 

50:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I can't even download it from an app store. 

50:35 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Can someone explain to me how, outside of Canada, there is no e-transfer? I don't get this. 

50:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's got to be like, just because they make too much money off of the money transfer apps. 

50:46 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Like, if I want to send Kirk money through bank account to bank account, it's auto deposit basically Give me your email. Here's your email address and that's associated with the account and the money gets sent. 

50:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't understand how this no fees usually, yeah, no fees. 

51:00 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I mean a few years ago I was in North Carolina for a friend's wedding, went out for some barbecue at Lancaster's and, uh, like I was from another planet, they're like, no, what the hell is this I'm like well, we just tap it back home. They're like no, you swipe it and I'm gonna give you a thing and you're gonna sign it. I'm like what year are we in? Man like this is, this is insane. But yeah, just another, uh well, I? 

51:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I looked it up beforehand just in case I didn't know how to pronounce it. I don't follow college football at all. I understand he's one of the top prospects and everything. 

51:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You only know him through George's tweets. 

51:39 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Basically yes in a way. So yeah, that's on me, no excuses. 

51:44 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
This was the National Darts Draft. 

51:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Though You'd get everyone's name correct, I would accurately pronounce probably the world's top 200 dart players, I would say yeah, Probably the world's top 200 dart players. 

51:56 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I would say yeah, confident in that. All right, let's get to Kentucky Derby here, jacob. 

51:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, the Kentucky Derby always brings out the sports bettors who, for one day, and one day only, are experts on horse racing, and even more so when there's additional handicapping involved, because, for this iteration of the Kentucky Derby, there was some inclement weather at play. On top of it, rob tweeted out this is from 2023, I think actually yeah, I retweet it every year, I think. 

52:26
It's funny how many people became horse racing experts overnight. And Hubie at Gaming Inc CEO says sad that all of these track condition experts and handicapping gurus will go back to grinding the top-down game tomorrow. Hashtag circle back. There were a lot of people jumping on this Sportsbook. Concilier says 15 minutes to Kentucky Derby Wet track and more confused than ever, Lists out a bunch of the horses that are racing in there. Is that who he bet? I'm not sure. I think that's just a lot of the horses that are racing in there. Is that who you bet? I'm not sure? 

52:54 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
No, I think that's just a lot of the horses that were in there. 

52:57 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, Good luck if you bet it Really feels like nobody knows shit Before the really feels like nobody knows shit. That looks like AI could have written that, Does it not? That looks like rock text. 

53:08 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I've met Sportsbook Consig before Dave Sharapan. 

53:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He doesn't strike me as an ai guy. No, no, I know I I'm not suggesting you use ai to write. I'm just saying like it's written, like it's written like a magic johnson tweet, where it's just stating the facts very blankly, essentially I. 

53:25 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I like his, his shtick big fan. Nobody knows sht, that's one of my favorite okay, it's, it's kind of I like that. 

53:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, charlie Kirk, who does like ultra right-wing content, says sovereignty just be journalism. To win the Kentucky Derby. Welcome to America A hundred of those In 2020. 

53:45 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Low-hanging fruit. Yeah, I'm sure it did. Numbers Awesome man. 

53:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, Trent said throwback to last year when this guy gave me 15 horses to pick the winner of the derby and I lost. How? 

53:59 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
does he do it man? 

54:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
How does he do it? Honestly, he flies up in a Leafs game. They lose game five, like every time there's a mortal mega max. He said, like, like, I would bet my entire net worth Vlad is in a home run today. It's his first hits, his first home run season. How does he do this? Is it just? Am I only seeing the bad ones? Like, do I not? 

54:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
but he's pretty good he does, I think, perception. Perception meets reality, a little like he's got a great it's gotta be a little bit of, he's also shaped the narrative himself yes, like he, like he he is pretty much he much a coin flipper. And he plays into it and he has a good time, exactly, and it looks like he goes to a lot of places. 

54:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, credit to him. Next one comes from George Riley Panagak. This is the we'll say the African-American variant of GRP wins. It says I bet sovereignty today at Churchill Downs. Mom was happy I got a win. Amanda Vance got very drunk and needed to be kicked out. Using my winnings to bet more on Hurricane Series and the AI that made the photo mistook hurricanes for. 

55:05 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Cane's Fried Chicken. 

55:08 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Put him in a Cane's Fried Chicken jersey. 

55:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Raising Cane's. I love Raising Can, raising, raising, raising canes, raising canes I love raising canes, yeah that's it. 

55:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
And then Big Cat said got another kidney stone but still betting all the races today, time to get hot. Yes, rob, you opened it up with the Kentucky Derby in general and people who try to handicap and and become experts in horse racing. You see this phenomenon every year and it really irks you well, it's not. 

55:37 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's actually that doesn't irk me at all. Like derby day is very special to me because sports betting has kind of been ruined for me over the years. When I first, when me and jeff first became friends when we were co-workers in the early like 2010s, we were both rec bettors and, like these, we were basically like barstool at the time, essentially right like just way ahead of our time, where we were producing this type of betting content and it was really fun. But I eventually lost a lot of money, learned how to win, and now I think about betting through like this expected value lens, right, it's really hard for me to just like throw I, I just it is so hard for him, yeah, like literally golfing or hanging out, like to get just an opinion, yeah, out of pazola. 

56:30 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That doesn't have to do with expected value, and you think this guy, like he watches the fucking games, yeah, and he's like he's reprogrammed himself so hard that he cannot do it. 

56:43 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I can't, I literally am incapable. But derby day is like the only day that I can good for you where I can just take a step back and literally what dave sherapan said nobody knows shit. To me that applies for derby day. It's like we can all handicap the kentucky derby like we're some fucking like experts in like equine analytics or something you know. I'm looking at race sheets and the what the weather is going to be and we're all doing this stuff and convincing ourselves that we might be uncovering some sort of truth that is not factored into the price or what I can. I can mentally convince myself of that on derby day and that's why the event for me is like it's kind of sacred almost where I I it's just the one day a year where it's like yeah I'm gonna do this and like. 

57:31
Even if I put all the time and effort in my entire life into handicapping this race, I may not actually be better than some average guy who's just throwing darts like and that, to me, makes the derby day great. Twitter on derby day is fantastic. The content that's out there of people again who've convinced themselves they've uncovered something like this horse descended from secretariat. I saw that a uncovered something like this horse descended from secretariat. I saw that a lot this week they all descended from secretariat. 

57:59
Every horse in the race like, but it's just, I don't know I there's something about it for me that makes it like a can't miss sporting event and uh, some people don't understand and they're like it's just horse racing, it's two minutes. That two minutes is so fucking exciting. When I'm watching, it's kind of my taste of still being. 

58:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's like betting a first basket. It's like it's over quickly, but you get a real rush watching that. I would agree with that. 

58:24 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
But you also plan for it the entire day. At least I do, right. 

58:28 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Versus a first basket, yeah. 

58:29 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Where it's a little bit different. You guys don't strike me as horse racing guys no, even though you have a fucking dairy boy horse on your hat today. 

58:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I'm poser, yeah, um no, I've just, it's just never done it for me. I just, I honestly wouldn't have known it was the kentucky derby this weekend if, like my buddy hadn't mentioned it, didn't watch it. There was so much sports on this weekend as well. Yeah, it's just I don't know when it's starting. I find the logistics of it weird. I don't particularly care about watching horses. Like it's not like an interesting sport to me. I do agree that, like, if you bet on it and watch those two minutes, it is like an electric two minutes, but just just never been for me, unless, like, if there's like a triple crown or something historic coming, then maybe I'll watch some horse racing, but otherwise it's just not for me I think it's a great sign that like people want to be fake experts yeah and I say that as someone that this year didn't even watch the race. 

59:28 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
If it was any of the six hours earlier I would have, but it's like seven o'clock you just watched you just watched the Jays give up a grand slam oh, I was in the ninth Jacob was at that game. 

59:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, fuck that you know, the only reason I watched the derby was because the game ended then and I got to a bar right before it started, otherwise I wouldn't have watched it anyhow, just like. 

59:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So it's not like a tent pole, it's not like mandatory I have to get home. If I have a plan, it's being dropped to watch it. That being said, watching it, betting it, the rush inside your body. It's a feeling you can feel alive, just to see that you're alive. Put a few bucks on a horse race, you'll feel. That being said, I get how hard-o gamblers sometimes, or even hard-o horse guy, can get like offended, that like people are acting like experts in a horse race. That being said, it is well. Like you might not know the horses. It might sound like really corny. You know like the track. You've watched it 30 times in your life. Yeah, I don't think it's crazy to have like opinions on what you think might happen. I don't think you've uncovered anything, yeah, but I don't think and I think that's just healthy, good for like the sport needs people to wanting to be experts. On that day it's like a big, like big boxing fights. I don't watch boxing fights, right, but I'll watch like a huge one, like big boxing fights. 

01:00:55 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I don't watch boxing fights, right, but watch like a huge one, and that day maybe I'll be an expert, but I've watched enough huge fights in my life to maybe have an opinion but, like, even if you are so like on this channel before I've interviewed dennis montoro um, colorado based better, who specializes in horse racing, and he talked about how challenging it is to win at horse racing. A lot of groups win because of rebates and stuff like that, but if you bet horse racing as a profession, you can't be upset about all these people parading Like they're contributing to the money pool on that specific day. Right, there's like a lot of dumb money that comes into the market on that day, so why would you be upset? 

01:01:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
you as as a sharper better and you could probably use your expertise in a sense that there's like so many different markets or prop markets in something like that that if you're a true expert, it's like a college basketball saturday there's like 80 bets or something you can find three or four on horses that like you know, you have something on yeah, but I like my my saturday. 

01:01:55 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
You know, I was thinking to myself at first, I'm like I'm just gonna find a couple people I respect and then, like I'll, I'll tail them and I I'm friends with uh drew dinsic. Uh whale underscore capper on twitter, and nbc sends him out to the event every year, so he's there at the track. I'm like you know what I think I'll message drew and you see what he's betting and I'll tail along. Then, like an hour later, I'm like fuck, drew, I'm like I'm gonna fucking handicap this thing myself. 

01:02:19
Like what does drew know that I don't? He obviously knows a lot more about horse racing than I do but like it's just that day and I didn't post pics to twitter this year like I normally do, um, not because I don't want to be called out, but like I just kind of wanted to have my day and and enjoy it. But I also love the victory lapping of kentucky derby wins and how people think they are truly now the god's gift to me. 

01:02:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I love the entire experience of that I would say, if I did like have to be at the hospital, like for a long period of time, stuck in a waiting room, stuck in the room seeing the doctor, I think derby day would be a good day. Oh, amazing, like I wouldn't want that. That like, yes, on an nfl sunday I could watch for seven hours. But I love it too much, like I, I like the derby. It's just like such a perfect betting thing where I could literally just be waiting for the doctor, waiting for someone to see me. All day losing money betting races Seems like a decent way to have to be stuck in a hospital, minus pain, of course. 

01:03:22 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
My wife used to be a veterinarian. She's not anymore, but she used to be back in the day and you best believe when those horses are walking out on the track. 

01:03:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm calling her in and I'm like what do you see? 

01:03:39 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
like, tell me whatever she's like, ah, like this one, like got a good ass, like this. I'm like I don't know. I'm like that one like it's a long shot. I'm starting to question her opinion. She's like ah, this one I don't. He's very distracted by, you know, the, the female that they bring up next to him. I don't know that he's got, but I'll do anything to convince myself that I'm I'm gonna be able to get some sort of edge. I do love, uh, derby. I, I like the whole triple crown, especially if you have a horse that's going for the triple crown at the belmont. Um, derby would actually be bucket list for me one day. 

01:04:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Churchill downs, although it's like jammed a couple hundred it seems like it just seems like you can't actually go to care about seeing the race yeah, you're just going to be in the infield getting wasted. 

01:04:22 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, over betting yeah yeah, it's just like a one-time. I just like to say that I did it. Or like I I live four experiences in life, like that's part of the allure of accumulating wealth. It's not to have nice things, like I don't care about having nice things, it's about experiencing things. That's like important stuff to me, um, cause I can always like look back on that stuff and and like remember it, whereas you know, just having an extra two rooms in the house that I'm never going to use it doesn't do anything for me. But Derby gives me all that and this tweet fucking all that. 

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01:06:40 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Oh, I didn't make it. 

01:06:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It's a graphic from a PS1 game by the same name, Return Fire. That just looked pretty cool for the segment. But you want to air grievances with the A-Team on the other show. 

01:06:52 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's not necessarily there's a lot of-. Wait, are you saying they're the A-team on the other show? 

01:06:54 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's not necessarily there's a lot of Wait. Are you saying they're the A-team or we're the A-team? 

01:06:56 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Because Jacob hosts that show, he's by default. Wow, so we have a traitor. 

01:07:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, he's got no, like he's on either A-team, Whichever one would be the A-team. 

01:07:04 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is team one and that's A-team. 

01:07:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh nice, I don't this is going to turn into like Kanisha's roasting us for four minutes. It's an opportunity to respond to things I'm so down for that. 

01:07:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But I wanted to segue because one of the things I showcased from the previous segment was George Riley panagak talking about Amanda Vance getting too drunk, because there was a video Amanda Vance posted of herself apparently missing the race because she was busy either getting more drinks or drinking. And on the previous show we did a segment discussing or it was in the chopping block of Amanda Vance saying she's not an alcoholic and she's fine and she just likes to drink and watch sports and stuff. But you noted something about that, Rob. 

01:07:53 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I did. I have a few notes. I listen to every Friday show. I was driving back from Ottawa after the Leafs won Game 6. It was great. I'm like I'll listen to this. It's live in the morning. 

01:08:05 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Reverse Trent. The Reverse Trent, yes, the. 

01:08:07 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Reverse Trent. It was great. So for context, for those that don't know, there's different processes for each of the shows. So this Tuesday show me and Jacob basically make the rundown for this show Kirk and Jeff. They really don't have much of input into what goes in, other than sometimes they'll say like I really want to talk about this. This week, the Friday show everybody has input. There is a Google sheet where there's like 40 tweets Anything that's hashtag, circle back, it goes in there and at some point on Wednesday night every one of them logs in and they put whether they want to talk about it, maybe not Nadeau. 

01:08:50
Nadeau is like a 50% hit rate on whether he's going to, but Flup and Knanish always put yes, okay, no. The Amanda Vance alcoholism segment Kanish put yes Caps with multiple exclamation points. So I'm like here we go. You know, so I'm listening. On the drive home, guy spent like 15 seconds talking. He didn't even make a point. I don't know what the fuck he wanted to talk about with this segment. I don't get it anytime there is a female involved and kanish he's like ah, I'm gonna fucking, like I'm gonna flame this girl or what. Like I, he never died. He like completely backs out of these situations every single time. 

01:09:31
The amanda vance alcoholic stuff, where she's like I'm not an alcoholic, okay, she literally said that in the same week where she posts a video fake video, by the way with her missing the Kentucky Derby because she went to get a beer While she's at the event. So she's posting a fake, so she's leaning into, so the whole thing with the whole alcoholism thing, or like the shtick. It's very cringe, but she created it herself. Like she showed up on these elf spaces drinking beers, getting plastered. I argued with her on one of the spaces about hockey betting. She was slurring her words like she was drinking. And then she's like I don't, I'm not, I'm not, I, I'm not alcoholic, I don't drink, or whatever. 

01:10:15
And then immediately the same week is posting more videos about faking to be an alcoholic. Like, what are we doing here? What are we doing? Like, just like either one or the other. I think the whole thing is cringeworthy, honestly. But like Kanish man, like, if you're going to put yes on the rundown with multiple exclamation points, make a fucking point rather than just sitting. He said more ums in that 30 seconds than he did make a point, basically. 

01:10:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I mean, at least Kanish knows he's going to come after this week on their return fire. I was mad at them for not mentioning in debating her alcoholism that the first thing in her Twitter bio is I like to drink. 

01:10:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I didn't notice that. 

01:11:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Really, rob, it is the first thing you open up her Twitter. I like to drink. It's been there a while. It's been there a while because I noticed that way back when she first came in to the elf orbit. Yeah, you're right. The first thing on my Twitter handle is I love Philip Rivers more than you love your mother. Okay, it is essentially. If you want to get to know me, you should update that to Justin Herbert. 

01:11:25 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
now Rivers is you know he's long gone. I heard you swear on Justin Herbert's ACL. 

01:11:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, I got accused of buying elf Twitter followers. Yeah, but my point being is the first thing on your Twitter bio is usually authentically what either you're trying to grift yourself as or the thing you are most passionate about. Yes, hers is. I like to drink. That's fine, like whatever. She's a pretty girl. Have your drinks, she's still young. 

01:11:54 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
We don't even have to debate it. I don't give a shit if you like to drink or you don't like. 

01:11:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I don't care, I just checked. That's not in her bio anymore. 

01:11:59 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Actually, oh, I sent you. Well, that's new, because someone called her out on it, because I even screen grabbed you guys in the chat last week and I after that segment. 

01:12:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
maybe it got changed or somebody. 

01:12:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, so that was so sure. That's the coverup. If you want people to not think you're an alcoholic, it would be very smart to remove that as line number one of your bio. 

01:12:25 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yes, I would agree with you. 

01:12:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm really enjoying the I guess the Friday show. 

01:12:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I have a few more things on the Friday show Uh, oh, no, just a few. The friday show I have a few more things on the front. Oh, no, just a few. Um, first of all, nadoo has like a very unhealthy obsession with hating on wrestling fans. I don't know what it is about the thing he fucking hates when, like adults, go to wrestling matches, it's just like another soap opera. Like adults watch soap operas and reality tv and stuff like that, like I don't know, I find it really weird. Personally, I also did love his reaction to being accused of sleeping on the show. I thought that was maybe my favorite clip of any Circleback ever, the one thing that really got me, though. 

01:13:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Hold on On Nadeau. Mike. Vivian should clip Nadeau calling him an idiot or all those things and play that for his wife, because Vivian usually plays when we say nice things about him. 

01:13:20 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
And his wife's like get that out of here. 

01:13:23 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
His wife will probably agree with Nadeau. 

01:13:25 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I agree. 

01:13:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So she can like the show. 

01:13:28 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
That is a good idea. 

01:13:30 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You're thinking, please do that, mike, you're thinking. 

01:13:34 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
The one segment that really had me upset, though, was there was this unpaid bet, NBA Green Beans and that Thawne Misser guy. Do you know that guy? 

01:13:44 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
We have a Twitter DM relationship. 

01:13:47 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Got it Understood. So basically, they had bet on the amount of NBA games that had taken place in the last month or two months. Two months For 25K. They agreed to it on Twitter and NBA Green Beans Brett was wrong because he didn't realize that, you know, one game involves two teams. 

01:14:09
So he thought it was double the amount of games, and then he deleted his tweets afterwards. Everyone's deleting tweets these days like they don't exist, like no one's gonna find out and, and he called out man and library for deleting tweets in our first segment. 

01:14:21
Very hypocritical, you know of course, but like all these guys are like well, obviously you know knish flop. He's like well, obviously it wasn't a real bet, it was just like a bet made in jest. It's like what the fuck are you talking about? They were arguing with each other online. One guy said I'll bet you 25k. The other guy said you're on deal. Yeah, brett quote tweeted and said pay me my 25k or whatever. As far as I'm concerned, that's a bet like that's a, a legally binding wager. They have agreed to terms on something, so I don't know why they just let brett off the hook for that. As far as I'm concerned, he should be paying 25K, not 1K or whatever they agreed to. 

01:15:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I retweeted it saying it's pretty clear that Brett owes Thawne that money. Brett DM me was not happy with me. 

01:15:08 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
He's not going to be happy with me now. 

01:15:10 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He pretty much called me, saying I was like being a meanie bo-beanie. He was like a real baby in the DMs. 

01:15:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But yeah, like just don't strike a deal on Twitter if you don't want. Ask ChatGPT before making the bet, like I showed in the segment. 

01:15:25 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
He's lucky. Thawne was being a really nice guy and didn't do it. If Thawne had been like, no, you owe me 25K, I would have agreed with him. 

01:15:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The weirdest thing about the whole thing like, sure, if he mixed up the numbers, that would have been, I mean, bad. But one thing, and whether it's a bet or not would be a separate thing. But in him defending it on a spaces I was listening to, he made it seem like google gave him multiple. There were like multiple correct answers. 

01:15:56 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And this is a thing where there can only be one correct answer. 

01:16:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's not like a. There's only one number of like true number of the amount of games that were played. There's not a moving number. 

01:16:09 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That was like his big reason is DM. He's like if you Google it, it says there's this amount of games. I said, okay, if you think you're right, get any arbiter on anyone on gambling Twitter and see who is right. If you think there are 800 games because there are two teams, well then there's 12 players on a team, so then you could say there are 24 games you could go to an infinite amount of games. So it's quite obvious that there's one game between two teams. 

01:16:36 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I do wish Thawne because there's one thing that does separate me from thinking. It's like a truly legitimate bet and I don't disagree really with anything you're saying in a masterclass by Thawne to have that in the back pocket and just wait Because he knows there are people who like foam at the mouth to get bread. 

01:16:56
He's put himself out there enough so he knew this is gonna play so fucking hard. That being said, thon like had a guaranteed winner that he should have at least any bet I've made and never made it to those stakes on the internet you usually have like a dm like we're, we have this bet here, yeah. Like away from the thread, yeah. Every time I've made a real bet on twitter you followed and it's been followed up with, like we're good here, yes, and then like handshake, emoji, fist bump, let's go my whole thing on that, though, is a very clearly, brett himself thought he had a real bet, because he quote tweeted it afterwards and said pay me, you're wrong. 

01:17:39 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Like so now for him to be like oh, it wasn't. I'm actually surprised those guys Like I thought especially Flop of all people would be like no, the principle is like you make a bet with someone. 

01:17:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But I think Flop's case was like you almost have to confirm that bet needs to be like double confirmed in the DMs. 

01:17:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No. So I think you're right in the sense that Thawne knew he was 100% right but never expected to collect. But in my head, if he had expected to collect, even if he hadn't DMed, he's in the right. But if I'm Thawne. 

01:18:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I would probably try to get that to like a number where it is a legitimate bet. Yeah, yeah, like I would try to get into your DM's and get 25. Yeah, how about we do 5? Yeah, like a number where it's like I'm going to get this guy for being so stupid. Yeah, but 25 in like a brash Twitter thing gives Brett an out to be like. This was just, you know muck muck Twitter. 

01:18:35 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, Finally, we're going to put this the gorilla versus 100 men debate to rest real quickly. But I got to take, like just I take issue with like Canisius and you too, Jacob. You guys are talking about these men like they're the fucking, like US Navy SEALs that have been trained for you know what the average size of a man globally is? It's 5, 8, 138 pounds. Do you know how small that is? Like that's, like I, I'm, I'm done with the argument. We'll never set it, settle it. It's not going to be settled, so we can't go on further here. Condition's like oh yeah, they're just going to coordinate attack. Yeah, have a chinese guy communicate with an english guy communicate with, an italian guy communicate with an Italian guy communicate with. Has nobody thought about these things? Anyways. 

01:19:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No. 

01:19:21 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I have not thought about it. I do think, listen, there's fair points. The animal is. It is overall a docile animal. 100 people, it is a lot, but to Rob's point, it's not like it's 100. Brock Lesnars. 

01:19:33 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's not, these guys are talking. They're like oh yeah, humans have fought in world wars, yeah, where people fucking knew they were fighting for their country. These are just 100 people dropped in with a gorilla. 

01:19:43 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Humans good to minus 150. 

01:19:46 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well wait, I've got one return fire. On Friday I was renewing my license, so I was out of Service Ontarioario and I was. I was just watching in the middle and the belichick segment where where nadil goes. Yeah, guys like belichick myself, joey, sometimes you got to do some things to get women and canisius face. Why. Why are you talking about me in this nadilil? I was genuinely having a hard time standing. I was laughing so hard in the middle of Service Ontario. It was so good. One of my favorite moments of Circleback ever. 

01:20:27 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I could see Kanish getting up in the morning and he goes to the bathroom to brush his teeth. He looks in the mirror and he sees Fabio. He sees Brian urlacher. Like you know, it's like a, a big ice. There's no way he has like a great representation of of who he is I. 

01:20:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't know that to be kanish, but I feel like we all have a friend who, like, looks in the mirror and sees something else looking back at them. You use brian urlacher. That was one me and my buddies used with a friend like I was trying to think early 2000s like a good lion's line but, alex anzalone, you know yeah well, I was trying to think of a good white. I mean you're trying to go white linebacker. Well, of course, yeah, I mean I don't mean to be rude, we're white. 

01:21:12 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, he's white yeah, I would not pick a black linebacker, but yeah. 

01:21:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I had a friend like literally all through like university. He looked in that mirror and Brian Urlacher was staring back at him. 

01:21:25 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
All right chopping block Jacob. 

01:21:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
All right, chopping block for this week starts off with this one from GRP Wins. Off with this one from GRP Wins. Brandon at 00 Quinn says GRP Wins might be a legend and a cool dude, but he has never been in parentheses, sat next to Mike Singletary on a flight, talking ball and exchanging plays on airplane napkins. I don't really understand the need for brackets there but parentheses, whatever, those are brackets. 

01:21:56 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah yeah, those ones are brackets I thought that's the whole. 

01:21:59 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, that's the point those are also. 

01:22:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Those are parentheses all right I'm lost on this I've used both today, if people haven't noticed, and I've practiced saying it with my speech impediment. 

01:22:09 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
But uh, grp replies, tell him I said he's overrated wow, that's exactly what random guy on a plane is gonna do. It's like hey. By the way, there's this guy on twitter, mike singletary his name is george thinks he's the best, better of all time. You're overrated, like that's exactly what we're george is a chicago guy, yeah I know what is? 

01:22:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
what sort of what is this he? He's wearing a Bears hat in his picture. 

01:22:37 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
George has a little bit of. 

01:22:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
George might actually George has a little bit of main character syndrome. 

01:22:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Hey, he's honest, he's honest to a fault sometimes, george literally strikes me as a guy who might say to Singletary he is overrated. 

01:22:50 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
He would. But George is also definitely the only person that in this thread is responding and saying like tell Mike, I said this, like who responds that you know. Like if it was your favorite player, even you, jeff, would not be. Like tell Phillip Rivers I say he's the greatest guy ever Like that wouldn't happen. 

01:23:10 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I might say tell Phillip I love him. I'll see him at Antonio's induction this summer. 

01:23:21 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Bad example, that's what I would say that example, that example, uh. 

01:23:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Next one is from oh the bender win segment didn't quite make it on to the friday show but rob wanted to bring it up today and it was bender wins first ever lock bet that he guaranteed would win. It was conservative party of canada to win election minus 1200 and in the end the conservative party did not win. They lost to the liberal party but were at the time very, very large favorites. But yes, they, this one, did not win. Uh, rob, do you care to elaborate on on this one I will say that this bender wins exposed bender wins account it. 

01:23:55 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Obviously there is a uh, a narrative here, or like a goal to expose bender wins. It's a little misleading because I ended up watching this full video. He did not not true. He did not recommend the conservative party to win the election at minus 1200. 

01:24:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I watched the video. 

01:24:13 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
He said that he doesn't like the L word, he doesn't like to use lock, but the conservatives are minus. 175 at BetUS was the book he gave. He said he's been getting down a bunch of money on it for a while now tried to get down a million whether that's like. That's not going to happen and maybe if on an exchange. But it's not going to happen at BetUS. 

01:24:35
No but this was like 10 months ago. Yeah, I know this was before Trudeau resigned and flipped the entire election, so he did not bet them. It moved to minus $1,200 after a bunch of people bet this was like months before Trudeau resigned. 

01:24:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh yes, this was way before it's resurfaced from a long time ago. 

01:24:54 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It before Trudeau resigned. Oh yes, yes, this is what resurfaced from a long time ago. It is kind of funny whenever someone says that they have a lock and they would never use a lock and edit. 

01:25:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
And I did not. Has he responded to this? Hold on, though. 

01:25:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Forget the like. Whatever the lock, the bet loss, he bet it at minus at a good number. It got huge and then it like totally flipped so it went off as a horrible number still. But I believe in this video he said he will repay people. Yes, that is the thing I'll take away. You can lose a bet, you can be confident. Think it's a lock. He offered to pay you back if you bet it. 

01:25:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, that's exactly what he said. He said if you got it before this, it's a classic, I'll take you out to a steak dinner in Vegas if the pick service loses. But that's why I'm saying did he address this no? 

01:25:37 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
because Bender was starting to get a lot of heat towards the end of 2024, early 20. And he posted something on his Twitter saying Twitter's way too toxic, I'm not posting on here anymore. I think that was in February and he didn't post until very recently when he was on a hot run and he resurfaced letting people know that he was on a hot run. So nothing's ever going to come of that like it's absolutely. He's absolutely not going to be paying people back the money that they lost on the conservative party in the election. It's again. It's just like a. It's a gimmick, it's a shtick. Like it's. It's sell picks at all costs. Who, who cares what you say? A little bit misrepresented here. But yeah, if you're going to call something a lock, it has to win. If you're going to say this is the first ever time you're using a lock, it has to win. 

01:26:25
I'm kind of this guy has kind of become irrelevant now. And sort of because I interjected with the point that he offered to pay people out. I know kirk has asked you. Did he like do any follow-ups? I haven't seen nothing. The only tweet I've seen from him in the last three months was at the end of april, where he talked about how good of an april he had but like bender wins exposed like, does he? 

01:26:49
there's tons of these accounts, okay, there's like there's at least a handful of. There's a bender results one which posts his daily pics and tracks the, the units which are. It's been a bad year for the bender races or he's a car guy yeah, he's in a garage. 

01:27:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He posts all the things in the garage yeah, those no, but those are like racing suits up against the wall. You can see a helmet back there yeah, I guess so sorry. I know you're very perceptive. 

01:27:16 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's fine, just learning about him. 

01:27:18 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, just checking it out. Yeah, I've kind of honestly kind of just forgotten that he existed at this point because he's not on Twitter anymore, but I'm sure but I saw this and I thought of you. 

01:27:28 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Oh yeah, I'm sure a lot of people thought of me. 

01:27:29 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I got sent this by like a dozen different people on the same day. It's like people were waiting, it's like they had it bookmarked, almost you know. 

01:27:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's almost like they had it bookmarked. It's almost like they had it bookmarked. 

01:27:40 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
They caught it in a timely fashion. Yeah, all right, keep it moving here. 

01:27:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Not a lock, but a Mega Max from Fozen Poker says Account deactivation Mega Max deactivating if the Warriors somehow lose tonight. This was ahead of Game 6 against the Houston Rockets. Family is rooting for this, plus $20,000 for the playoffs after the Warriors win Game 6. Thanks for the free cash. This account is gone soon, but not tonight. The Warriors did lose Game 6 to the Houston Rockets and he did deactivate his Twitter account. Wolf of Walgreens says the one guy to deliver on his promise ripped Fozen Poker, but the account was back 12 hours later. He said if you'd please read the rules, it says nothing about how long I need to be deactivated for Next time I'll choose a far easier punishment. 

01:28:27 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Is this a real market on Kalshi? 

01:28:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
No, it can't be 12 hours without my beloved. 

01:28:32 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Twitter was pure agony. No, it's a very poor Photoshop. 

01:28:36 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I got to say, I like Fozen a lot because he roasts, flip a lot Fozen's really funny. 

01:28:42
That's a good thing. I will say it's kind of lame when you say you're going to deactivate and you come back within 12 hours. I'm not saying you have to be offline forever, but maybe give it a week or something like that. At least you know there's got to be like a time frame where you got to be gone, like Thrill Barton he took that to one extreme, like that's the, if David Bote ding-dongs here, I'll never tweet again. And David Bote did and he's never tweeted again. He's been gone from Twitter. 

01:29:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He uses one time on that one, but you should like, if you're Fozarn, if you're going to return, yeah, I guess, like I don't know, return like some big moment. I don't know, I'm trying to make some big moment. 

01:29:25 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Yeah, return the dunk on Flop. You know what I'm saying After the Cavs lose. Yeah, exactly, pick up a good spot. 

01:29:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Until then, be like Sting in the rafters. 

01:29:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, but go back to the tweet before. This is such a funny move. Plus 20,000 for the playoffs after the Warriors win game six. Like just already counting the cash. 

01:29:44 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
So now he's up plus 4,000 or so, plus 3,000?. 

01:29:49 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Well, plus 20,000 for the playoffs after the Warriors win. So subtract 9,600. So he's at $10,400. 

01:29:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, but he also lost, and then he lost $6,500. 

01:30:00 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
So he's at like $4,000, basically, plus $4,000 for the playoffs. 

01:30:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Anyways, Tough one, Good swing, Tough swing. That's just a funny like the guy is confident. 

01:30:10 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's hard to disagree with that. I like the account I love the account. 

01:30:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's a great account and hold on. 

01:30:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They're like I know there's this whole thing with Spinfluencer and someone we didn't get to talk about it but being offered to pay for his account being deleted. We talked about it on one of the Fridays On the Friday show, If any of those like I've pissed off some fucking whales before. 

01:30:36 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I'll entertain an offer. You're gonna give up your account for an offer. 30k, that's a floor. What just promise? Does that not mean I can't? Does that mean? 

01:30:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
hold on. Does that mean I can't like? I can still do shows? 

01:30:44 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
sure, but promise me that if you ever get an offer where you're gonna sell, you will come to me. Yeah, of course, take the deal. 

01:30:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I come to you with a lot of offers okay, just I just want. I just mean I seem to have pissed off over the years. Some people fucking hate me, or the smartest people in the room it's gonna be a good segue so if they want to pay to get rid of, like I, I got a fucking price, yeah good segue. 

01:31:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, perhaps a couple people may be interested in such a payment. Uh, as mr peanut better points out here, they, I'm available. C's tweet thinks hmm, I don't know about that one, that's pretty dumb. Problems is just let it slide. 80% of the time, the top reply to that tweet is either ship the justice, so shipper, or digs saying hey, dumb, fuck it's actually so true that it's such a good tweet. 

01:31:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's such a good tweet. 

01:31:31 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It actually is so true that it's such a good tweet, it's such a good tweet. 

01:31:34 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It actually is so true, it's like it's perfect, it's like he summed it up perfectly. There's so many times where I see a tweet I'm like you know, I will say, since having Diggs on, circles off, we have like a line of communication. So if I see something really dumb that I don't want to personally flame, yeah. 

01:31:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I might be like oh have you seen? 

01:31:54 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
not like, just like. Have you seen this? And most of the time he won't go in, but every now and then he will. 

01:31:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Oh, I see what you're doing. You know what I'm saying. 

01:32:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

01:32:02 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I'm trying to get off of the. He's like a henchman for you now, I don't want to do this. I don't want to say that either. You don't want to call. 

01:32:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's exactly what you're doing. I've done it before, I think, with some golf stuff. 

01:32:18 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I feel like I'm not super influential in getting him to fight the battles for me. 

01:32:22 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, but you show him something so stupid that he can't help himself. Yeah, yeah. 

01:32:29 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
That's a henchman. This is such a good tweet man In the Google sheet we have for good tweets at the end of the year. Jacob, make sure this one goes in there, because it really hits home. Like Shipper especially. It's so good man, hey, dumb fuck. The way it's capitalized is so good, Perfect tweet. It's a perfect tweet. 

01:32:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This one comes from Charlie Marlow. It says Billy, this is Connor Hellebuck. He's the best goaler in the NHL in the regular season and at home in the playoffs. The problem is when he's at the Enterprise Center in St Louis, he's basically Stevie Wonder in net Gives credit to at Moneyball. Means for the photo. It's a photo of Jonah Hill's character and Moneyball talking to Brad Pitt's character. About these lesser-known players that analytics favors essentially, that have these quirks. Anyways, Hellebuck, one of the best, if not the best, goalies in the NHL, Horrific in all three games away from home in the playoffs because he got pulled, I think. I think he got pulled in all three games, but the Jets did win Game 7 by some miracle. 

01:33:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
What a win last night. 

01:33:34 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That was awesome, that was awesome, what a game. 

01:33:35 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It was awesome, Incredible. I actually was able to. I was at a concert so I missed most of the game, but I caught most of the second overtime, so that was. 

01:33:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And you know the thing in Canada how like they think, like people think we've spoken about before, but people think you cheer for other Canadian teams. Yeah, that's absolutely not the case. That was a hate watch for me. But winnipeg is actually I don't know what like it's not like. Fuck ottawa, fuck montreal vancouver. I can't stand them or their fans. Yeah, winnipeg. 

01:34:03 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
So harmless and innocent like I always root for. 

01:34:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, I don't know what your beef is, but I'm always rooting for it's a tougher one for me, because um they lost their team. 

01:34:13 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I know I have some connections to Jordan Binnington like a really good friend of mine. 

01:34:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's different. 

01:34:18 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I was a goalie tandem with him in junior. 

01:34:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
so yeah, I just don't have even close to the vitriol I have for other Canadian teams. 

01:34:26 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Winnipeg to me is by far the most likable other Canadian team other than Toronto. 

01:34:36 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
For me. They needed to be brought back down to earth a little bit, which was the exact opposite of what happened. It's just they think too much of their team for what it is, they have nothing. They pull off one of the most astonishing comebacks, game 7 history. 

01:34:48 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The only thing is I want the Leafs to be the team that is the first Canadian team to win since, whatever, I don't want to test them. That's why I don't want one to be in the Cup. 

01:34:58 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
But otherwise, totally agree. So it would have been the early 90s. Montreal was the last one that won Just with this tweet. Generally speaking, when I first started betting hockey seriously and doing really well with it, I would lose almost every single playoffs. The models I was used were like were trained off regular season data obviously doesn't apply. They're like his time has gone on there. I'm like unquestionably believe that there are such thing as, like, playoff performers and playoff chokers and I don't know, maybe hellebuck goes on a run here. He did sweep the oilers one series that nobody talks about. I think it was 2021 where he played really well, but he has like for being the best goalie on earth, has a pretty large sample of being a shit goalie in the playoffs and like to me there's got to be something. There is this just hockey. 

01:35:50 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I think basketball is, like you could probably say, the same Harden game, sevens, right. Well, baseball, you could argue, it's somewhat different just how the pitchers are used. 

01:36:00 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Clay Kershaw used to be labeled like this Kershaw was a choker Jeter was the guy who used to rise to the occasion in the playoffs all the time right. 

01:36:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like a year ago, this time Xander Shoffley was like a loser and then he won two majors. 

01:36:14 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
But I've said this on this show before You're a loser until you're not. Yeah, of course Ovechkin was the choker, but then guess what? Then he won and he's not the choker. Same with Kershaw, peyton Manning could not win. 

01:36:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And then once you win, once you can win, it doesn't matter what stage of your career you're in exactly. There's still someone like george betting zach johnson, yes, to wit. Like you won once, I'll live bet danny willett and I'll have my zach johnson bet because you won once. 

01:36:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I can trust you, exactly, exactly next one here comes from jersey, jersey jerry. This is the last one. Jersey jerry works with barstool, says first time using the bathroom on an airplane. For some reason I always had a fear of using them. I only went number one, but I would def, I def, would do it again. Not so bad this feels like bait. 

01:37:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Rob, you wanted this one. Hold on. This. Feels like he didn't. I'm not saying it, but like just circumstances. He probably didn't go on, like many family airplanes. You couldn't. 

01:37:10 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
These are all short. 

01:37:14 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Has this guy ever been outside of North America? Probably not. There's no way he's flown to Europe or Asia before he flew from Chicago to New York there are a lot of. Americans who just don't have passports. It's pretty strange, I don't? 

01:37:21 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I sometimes Like just to. Honestly, it sounds so stupid. Yeah, but sometimes on an airplane I'll go to the washroom. For the same reason. When I was in the sixth grade I said I gotta just stand up and fucking get out of here for a minute, like I just like that's it like soon. I don't even have to go, I'm an. 

01:37:39 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I just wait in line. I'm an aisle guy, I like. I like the freedom of being able to get up and move around and not having to have other people get up. This is weird man. 

01:37:48 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I will say like I don't think I've ever done a number two on a plane. 

01:37:52 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I've never I'd have shit on a plane. I would have to Never. 

01:37:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It would have to be, I'd have to be dying. 

01:37:56 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
No, I've just never had to Like I try to shit at the airport before I get on the plane. It's like a con. 

01:38:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I've been on some long ass planes. Yeah, I've never, I mean. 

01:38:11 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I will go to. So if I got to rip one, I'll just head to the bathroom. That's very common for me. 

01:38:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Definitely TMI, but I would try very hard not to have to shit on a plane, but one time I had an unfortunate meal at an airport right before a flight to England so that was a really bad flight. 

01:38:30 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's there for that reason. That's why I sit aisle. I can get up a lot. I mean, what would be bad about going Like I only went number one, but I definitely would do it again? 

01:38:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
There are worse places to piss than an airplane. 

01:38:42 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Like I've been pissing on an airplane before where you have like some turbulence and I'm tall already, so like a lot of the bathrooms. 

01:38:56 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm like my body is going wedge your arms against the wall. So like I get that there's a social contract that exists in airplane washrooms that like doesn't exist and say, like a festival porto party yes, right, there's like a social contract that like everyone on this plane is using this. 

01:39:08 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Treat it like it's your home, you know try not to yes. I'm with you. Well said, Jeff. 

01:39:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But I have a question. I don't even know the answer. What do you do? You know that bathroom line is long, yeah, and you go in there and there's piss all over the seat, yeah, and it's like you didn't do that, and then you get out there and you walk out there and you make eye contact with this person. You're trying to make eye contact. I'm like that shit wasn't me. 

01:39:38 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Well, what's your alternative? I'm not cleaning up someone else's piss off the seat. 

01:39:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm not cleaning up my child, I'm not cleaning up someone else's piss. 

01:39:43 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
That is a bad situation In any public washroom, not just an airplane. It always reminds me of an old Jonah Hill story which he was talking about, where he was on like a flight with some girl he was dating or something like that, and he went into the bathroom and I guess whoever was in there before had taken a shit and it fucking reeked. 

01:40:03
And then she's next so yeah, he opened the door, got out and like she went in and he's like oh, it's like it wasn't me, Like he's like, yeah sure, it wasn't me. 

01:40:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
She's like, yeah sure, yeah, well, if you're in that scenario, you've got to just speed, race in and out. Yeah, make sure that the person behind you knows. Oh, it's true, I wasn't in there long enough. 

01:40:20 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Exactly that could have been me, but then maybe they think you didn't wash your hands though no, no, no, the simple math, yeah, exactly. 

01:40:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
The math can't math. There's no like calculation, it's just like a thought, like it wasn't in there that long. 

01:40:33 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, exactly. 

01:40:35 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's not like oh, it's only there a minute, what the hell I don't think about that, like I've had those experiences before Piss all over the toilet seat, I just piss and I just move on. 

01:40:41 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, I don't think about that either. 

01:40:47 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
I don't think about like what's the next? 

01:40:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
person. 

01:40:49 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
It's a public bathroom, things too much you're never gonna see these people again in your life yeah, but there's still that two and a half hours we're on the airplane, rob sure I guess you know what if you're on vacation too. 

01:40:59 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You might like just run into them a bunch of times you ever have those that random person, you see like five times that happened to me in greece. This guy was pissing me off on the flight there and I just kept fucking seeing this guy everywhere I went like he was listening to, like tick tocks on his phone on the airplane, oh yeah. 

01:41:18
And then I just every stopped my trip I kept seeing this guy. I was on Greece, I was doing island tour. I get on a boat to a different island of my K. I won't see that guy again. He's fucking three rows in front of me watching more tick tocks without headphones. 

01:41:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It was crazy. My daughter's eight, I like to think by the time say she's like 16. Society will have gotten this met like yeah, it's, maybe it's just a new technology where people are doing it at their own leisure. Yep, at some point I feel like we will hit a line where like it is, so like obviously we like it's. I fucking hate it. 

01:42:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You know it'll become like smoking. 

01:42:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm sitting in a McDonald's and you're at the table next to me listening to your fucking show at full volume. I'm like I want to tell you off, I'm just too polite to Yep. 

01:42:13 - Rob Pizzola (Announcement)
Well, all this talk about pissing and I've drank a full Red Bull, so I'm going to wrap it up right now because I'm going to be doing a dance in my seat right now. Like, subscribe, do all that jam. Leave us a comment down below as well. And, of course, back on Friday. With what Jacob terms? As the A-team? I don't necessarily agree, but they do put on a good show.