00:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
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00:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's Circle Back right here on the Circles Off YouTube channel presented by Underdog. This is the show where we review the week that was in gambling Twitter. I'm your host, rob Pozzola, joined to my left Kirk Evans, jeff Feinberg. Back from vacation. Jacob the Giant Grimania producing today. How was vacay, jeff? 

01:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You look like you got some sun a little bit Good, lovely, yeah, yeah, alright, I got no complaints. Alright, we'll leave that. I'm a little jet-lagged. 

01:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, well, we're going to get to it later in the show, but someone sat in that seat last week. That, uh, maybe he's coming for the seat let's go maybe. 

01:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Uh, yeah, I liked it. I like joey. I was sad I missed him the second you told me that he was coming in. It's like oh, because I know he had lost the bet and I wanted to be here. 

01:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We'll get him back at some point or another. I think he lives for this shit anyway, so it won't be too hard to get him back in studio at some other point. Uh, one thing that I live for personally, even though I'm not a huge college basketball fan over the course of the season, is March Madness. I love March Madness as a whole. I love everything about it, including people going nuts on Selection Sunday. But Jared Smith tweeted this week. 

01:58
A friend of mine who isn't into gambling but loves college hoops asked me to describe the feeling of betting March Madness and explain why it makes the viewing experience better. I replied with this picture. For those who are listening, it's the picture of Elmo deciding whether to eat fruit or the white stuff the powder on on the other side and looking towards the powder. I agree, I love that stuff, but started for me with many, many years ago. A tradition dates back over a decade of Alan Boston. Alan Boston, previously interviewed on this channel on Circles Off. You can catch that interview. We'll link it down in the description below. 

02:36
Formerly used to work for Billy Walters, was a college basketball guy. He started with these conspiracies years ago, which I would say are not even conspiracies anymore. I think they're like they're. They're just like facts at this point about how these mid-major teams get fucked in the seedings in the tournament and all the big teams get like very favorable draws and over the years it's come to fruition. But I live through alan boston tweeting on selection sunday every year and not him the amount of people that get infuriated with how the bracket is selected. These are like grown adults that are fucking losing their minds over like this team shouldn't have got in. This team's seating is too low. This team is like ninth in the Ken Palm ratings but they got a seven seat in the tournament. I don't know what it is about march madness for me, but I I the event as a whole, especially the first week, is one of my favorite of the entire year, kirk yeah, I my take on march madness this year honestly like makes me sad. 

03:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Every year it's kind of been dwindling for me but like at this point there's just so much nba going on, I like maybe I'll fill out a bracket or two, but I'm just not gonna be involved. And that makes me sad because it used to be like I would always fake sick at school for it to make sure I could watch. I would always skip all my classes in college, obviously, and watch. Even years prior when I was betting I was like, all right, I'm gonna focus on some march madness and put some time in, and now it's just, I'm just not gonna pay attention I want to pick up on that in a second because I feel a lot of what you're feeling. 

04:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You, jeff, you're more of like the wreck. You're not. You're not betting for like your income, like me and kirk are in particular, I mean for you like, is March Madness still a thing? Thursday, friday, all day in front of the TV, live betting that kind of stuff? Not a chance. 

04:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I've asked a couple smart friends for some bets and I've tailed them. But, like the greatest memories in life are those Thursday, friday, in college. I lived in like a like a townhouse thing that has like five houses connected. We all like shared a backyard, yeah, and we would throw like a flip cup beer pong part. Like just the whole, like just the debauchery of these days, the gus johnson days, yep, like just magic. I close my eyes. I dream getting like one hour back in that past life. 

05:08
As for this tweet, this meme, it hits me, but in a different way, because I am a casual but I do like to gamble. I just haven't made a college basketball bet all year. It's just not my thing. So I see this tweet and it's like, yeah, like when's the last time I did anything or adjacent to white stuff that would have been in vegas? When's the lot like when am I going to do it again? Probably the next time I go to vegas, when's the last time I bet march madness or college basketball last march madness, yeah. So it's like one of those things where I'm not doing this really, other than the time I'm in Vegas or at March Madness, when I actually bet college basketball in these last couple years, so it's a very accurate tweet for you. 

05:53 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It hits home. 

05:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But Jared is like, just because he's so excited for it. The meme just has different meanings, but it hit me just in a different way. As for your boy Boston, and those mid-majors getting screwed, it's the fucking Jews, rob. 

06:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's the Jews, so I was wondering. I did not include it in the rundown, but you obviously saw that. 

06:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, we're responsible for Allen's mid-majors getting the screw job. 

06:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, he had an interesting tweet Listen, I'm going to misquote it now because I don't have it in front of me, but it was something about three teams all who are good in college basketball that have Jewish head coaches. 

06:34 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, and he said how ironic it was. 

06:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Which I'm not even very bright, but I don't think he used that properly. 

06:41 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Probably not. He definitely did not, Knowing him. 

06:46 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I don't think he did. No, he is an insane person. 

06:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So you mentioned the conspiracy things that you used to know him for. 

06:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He hasn't chilled no, he's still doing that like if we, if we go, uh, one more slide here, jacob. Much, much, much deeper. I mean it wasn't too bad yesterday. Like what a shit show these seedings are. People were losing their minds like mitch moss. They've announced six matchups. It's already one of the worst ever jobs by the committee. 

07:06
Uh, sean paul, north carolina is in. What a dreadful choice to include them. Just awful. Brad evans, same thing. North carolina, get the fuck out of here. Not deserving, ridiculous. But like this to me is more insane than the committee's seedings, because this just happens every year. Like the committee always gets it quote, unquote wrong in the view of the general public, because there's more at stake, there's money at stake in these tournaments. They want to put teams with big fan bases and give them favorable draws, stuff like that. To me, the insanity is the people who are expecting like a perfect, like I used to be this guy, so I don't want to like. Six years ago I probably would have argued we should just use vegas like power ratings to seed the bracket, but now I'm just like. No, I mean, like I understand how the world works. I like a tour. I don't even watch college basketball. North carolina has had a horrible year. I like that north carolina's in the tournament because I grew up like watching players from north carolina. I think that's interesting. 

08:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I just I just find, like the, I find it very amusing the discourse every year around at all I want to agree with you, but I just know that if I like was a diehard college basketball fan, I would be one of these guys losing them. 

08:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah well, if there was an nba tournament where they just picked randomly or nhl for me, or golf like golf for you, je, we would be this person. 

08:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, if they did. I mean, they fucking don't do match play anymore and it breaks my heart. Now they do it by world rankings, but if it was a subjective committee making like a 64 match play bracket, I'd lose my mind. So I got nothing to say on that other than I'm self-aware enough, like Kirk, to know. If I was a college hardo I'd be one of these people going apeshit If they put North Carolina in one of those standalone Tuesday night games. It's obvious why, right, there's a lot of money paid to show them and they want a premier team in those like Tuesday night one-offs, yep. 

09:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Matthew Watley, tweeted it's not outlandish to say that college basketball is a better sport than college football right now. Uncle K Joey Kanish, quote tweeted that said it's not outlandish, it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I will say I'm a football fan first and foremost. I prefer Thursday, friday, march Madness over watching a college football national championship game. 

09:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. To me, college basketball is better. Football national championship game. Yeah, I was. I was gonna say the same thing like to me, college basketball is better. Like, I'm not a fan of either sport, but just the fact that march madness exists and you get that first weekend, which is like college football, just doesn't compare I don't even know like I agree with kanish, but I love football and basketball. 

09:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like is just yeah you know around. 

09:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Um, I will say just a story from my end. So me and jeff, I, I, for anyone who's new here and you don't know me and jeff used to work together, uh, in our early and mid-20s at at the score back in the day, and march madness was huge for us because we had the tv rights in canada for march madness and we used to have rick mager who was the coach of the St Louis. 

10:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Billikens no, it was Utah then, wasn't it? Oh no, sorry, it's post, because he had the Keith Van Horn Utah teams and then he went somewhere else and yeah, Rest in peace Rick Majerus, who's since passed away, but we used to have him in studio. 

10:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It was a big thing for the entire corporate. Like the entire building was on pause during March Madness. 

10:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I feel like other great coaches were there Possibly. 

10:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I remember Majerus because he was there, a lot there are some incredible, and he used to eat I don't remember if you remember how many pizzas that guy, the? 

10:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
stories about the people in charge of making sure he was happy were truly hilarious, like the Chinese food orders. But the funniest thing about it, kurt, is they had him staying literally like half a block at the Soho and he wanted a car back. Yeah, it is one of the like literally, maybe less than half a block, because, ironically, the same building we're in now. He needed a car service to take him to the place. 

11:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's actually like a 45 second walk yeah, it would take you 10 times the amount of time to get in a car to get there than it would to walk over. But that was great, great experiences. But for me, like that was when I was a more recreational better. So I used to. I used to spend like the monday to wednesday handicapping the tournament, like going through well, and I, I, I miss that because now the way I think of college basketball, I think of how markets work, right, and uh, telemachus is a guy I've interviewed a couple times here on Circles Off college basketball better that bets with Rufus's group. 

11:43
Now and from my understanding you talk to people. Everyone's like, oh, people are down college basketball this year, apparently they're killing it. And a lot of people say like basically, his numbers that he's generating end up being like the closing line and like very close to the closing line in the game. So now I start to think about it's like I don't want to compete with, like my knowledge of the market is a detriment to enjoying events like March Madness, like I used to, and I really, really miss that. Now I'm going to sit at my desk and I'm going to live bet all day and I'm going to make some miserable minus EV bets, because I'm going to be watching the game and convince myself that, like oh, this team's going to go on a run or whatever, just going to try to go through those motions. Like, oh, this team's going to go on a run or whatever, just going to try to go through those motions. But I do somewhat miss the days where I could bet more recreationally in events like that. 

12:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I miss the days where I actually cared about filling out a bracket. 

12:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like when we worked at the company and there was like literally so much pride. 

12:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Obviously, there was money on the line, but like to win the score. 

12:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Bracket contest like it was truly like it, bragging rights, man, yeah, or? 

12:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
like in college with all your buddies, like there was a sense of pride in that bracket. Now I'm not even going to fill out a bracket. I know I couldn't, I don't want. I fill it out like, uh, I just know I have no chance, I don't even care, I'd rather just bet the tournament. 

13:06 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But this just goes back to the fact that I think we covered it two weeks ago. One of these sportsbooks needs to get a Circa Survivor-like tournament for March. 

13:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Madness, yeah, we got some responses in the comments that there's a lot of these, but maybe it's just like I don't see them promoted much, or anything like that. 

13:26 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I never see them. I saw a couple of them promoted, but it needs to be like a $5 million. 

13:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, Like where everybody wants to be involved in that one contest. It's so hard. 

13:34 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You can't get that in a week. A big contest like that is open for signups for the whole summer. 

13:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, but they should open it at the start of football season. Oh, I guess you're right. You can just enter it at any time. Offshore is the easy way to do it. 

13:46 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't need to know what the matchups are, to want to be in a pre-sign up. 

13:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're right, but anyways, it's March Madness. I do love this time of the year. You will not catch me doing anything else. My wife's going to come back from Disney and she's going to be like what the hell is going on here? You're watching basketball all day, squeaky shoes. I'm like I'm sorry, babe, that's the way it's going to work March Madness this week. 

14:09
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15:48
From one bracket we move to another. Pretty, pretty genius idea, I would say. To get some engagement, uh, novig uh, which is a sweepstakes uh exchange brand in the space trying to make a name for themselves. Uh, created the novig influencer march madness tournament 64 influencers, one winner and a thousand dollars to a charity their choice. Who will win? It's all up to you, the fans. Uh. So they constructed a bracket I don't even really know what people were voting on here like who is the best influencer, who's the more popular person? I have no idea, but this did generate a lot of engagement. Shout out to their social guy, uh, plus ev penguin. I had talked to him before, uh, but he's doing some stuff to get engagement out of there. So there's a lot of storylines with this particular bracket and um, one of them was that you guys ended up taking on each other in a round it looked like like. 

16:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If you checked it out, it seemed like they did a really good job with their first-round seedings. I would say that Like a lot of it was manipulated rivalries and such online rivalries. This is a really close vote. Me and Kirk were neck and neck the whole way. 

17:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It was calculated these matchups Absolutely Great. 

17:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Honestly, the way that the bracket was put together, with the exception of the inclusion of Icy Vert, who is just like didn't really belong- but why am I supposed to not like? 

17:19 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I didn't know who he is, but why am I supposed to be mad about it? 

17:23 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's just like one of these things is not like the other, like you have 63 sports betting influencers and you just got a couple random like ohio's tate was on there, who's just like a random barstool guy I've never seen him on yeah I guess, yeah, but no, they definitely did a good job, and a good job with matchups also. 

17:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'm just noticing now whoever's twitter account this is voted for kirk. 

17:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's a good point. You know what? Let's see Rob, Throw up your phone. 

17:46 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is mine. Jacob admitted to it it is. 

17:49 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Good Thanks. 

17:49 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Jacob. 

17:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Appreciate it, appreciate it. 

17:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Good one for you. 

17:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Good catch, Kirk. I actually thought we should make people pass around their phones to see loyalty tests. 

18:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So you will see what I did, but I voted for everyone who was losing in the first round. But, how do you know that? I have seen results already. We have two accounts. We have a Circles Off account, oh sure. 

18:13 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I mean, I just really, for the most part, voted for who I liked, more like who I wanted to give the clout to to win. Yeah, I didn't really have nothing to do with following and nothing almost to do with how good they were at Twitter. It was really like which one of these people do I want to give my like modicum of clout two, and that was how I voted. I assume that's how everyone voted. 

18:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Did either of you guys promote this at all? 

18:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I did not promote my battle with Kirk. Yeah, no, I did not promote my battle with kirk. Yeah, and I did not promote, unless the other person fired the first. Promote bingo. Kirk didn't promote. I didn't bring it outside of like I have a lot more followers than kirk so he did like quite well relative to our follower base. But this was seemed like our vote was strictly in, like the novig or that universe. I didn't bring it to to your my universe well in the other matchup. 

19:07
If someone threw the first, I'm bringing it to my people. Then I countered but I, who was your other matchup? Uh, uh, dk dfs the basketball yeah and someone. Oh, golf twitter was not gonna let me lose, to a mona, to a monahan, yes to a monahan. 

19:27
You had mona, I took out alex monahan, thank golf. Twitter was I was not losing to a monahan. I don't get relation, no relation. I have enough respect that people were not allowing an l beside the last name Monaghan to me. And then, yeah, someone threw the first promotion. Then I promoted with a retaliatory promote. 

19:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
See, I love this idea as a whole. It's great to get engagement. I do struggle with giving. It's not that I have anything against Novig, but I struggle to give promotion to a brand who is intentionally, intentionally engagement farming. No, no matter how good the idea is, that's a good idea, it's a good idea. But, like I, I wasn't going to be the guy that but yeah, then I ended up facing Kanish in in one of the rounds and he's like tweeting up a storm about this like he. 

20:20
When somebody wants like, I'll give up. This is the honest to god truth. I didn't give a shit about this, like winning this at all. I like the idea. I faced Steffi Smalls in the first round. I didn't care if I lost, I don't give a shit. But once Kanish was starting to like, really, really get into it I know how badly he wants to win I was not going to allow that to happen. Like I created a fake. I got the male media memes guy to create a fake DM from Kanish to me saying that he wishes he was Canadian and I tweeted that out and a lot of people thought it was real. They're responding like traitor. I used to deport him and whatever. That's how much. I put some stock into this. 

21:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But there were some like how do I put this? Even though it was a fun overall nothing burger, there were some, in my opinion, significant takeaways. Okay, okay. Like one main takeaway that I took from this whole thing yes, it was Spin Influencer. It was Spin Influencer, okay. 

21:26 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Spin Influencer. So Spin Influencer if we go back to the previous slide. 

21:30
It was constructed in the bracket, again very intelligently, for him to face Amanda Vance, then Ariel Epstein, then Taylor Mathis if they won. Brilliant seeding strategy. So we have like the Pokemon Squirtle W? Ois um, you know meme that got tweeted out. But you know he won his first two matchups. And then, to me, the highlight of this entire thing was the taylor mathis matchup. Spinfluencer taylor mathis, because what happened here and I'm following this pretty closely he's beating her for the majority of this thing and she went to her instagram. She posted need your help, go vote for me to go to the elite eight. I have to beat this guy. If you vote, send a dm done and I'll send you a surprise Do we have any info on what the surprise is. 

22:25 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I actually did. I blocked, so what? 

22:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
did you get. 

22:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I couldn't find any information on what the surprise was oh, come on, we need to find out what the surprise is. 

22:32 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
My kids like going to a restaurant, rob, I don't even care much for the food, but they got the stupid toy chest at the front and they like, well, give the kids a dollar store toy, yeah Right. And now it's like, if I ask my kids, where should we go for dinner? 

22:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They want to go there. 

22:45 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
They just want to go there because there's like a dollar store toy it used to be Swish. 

22:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
La for us back in the day when we were kids. 

22:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, they had a toy chest too. It's not like a chain restaurant, but I guess they've adopted that strategy. I want to know what dollar store toy Taylor was offering her her kiddies. 

23:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
She doesn't like Spinfluencer. She quote tweeted one of his tweets saying this guy's entire life is making fun of other people. Imagine being that miserable. So there's very clearly beef, which always makes for the best matchups in anything when there's kind of a heated rivalry. 

23:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I would say she's in the super, super majority in how she views the Spinfluencer account. 

23:28 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Minority super majority in how she views the spinfluencer account and majority, minority, minority, minority. Well, it depends because we come at it with a different lens. So, like I know, the novig tournament is, the people who are interacting with this, I would say, are more on the sharper side, yeah, of gambling twitter, which is why a lot of the matchups between recreational creator versus sharp creator, or better, they always skew towards the sharp one. And if you look at this matchup in particular, right Spinfluencer has like 5,000 followers on Twitter. Taylor Mathis has more than 200,000. This was a 50-50. Literally was 50-50 going into the final hour. 

24:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
She doesn't just have a 200,000. She activated the army, I know, and still barely won. She activated the army and won by a nose hair, which is like what an incredible achievement for Spinfluencer. 

24:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I would entirely agree with you. So if you look at the hour leading up to the final results of this poll, she was messaging people on Twitter publicly. What do you mean? Like she was tagging someone at Jeff Feinberg. Can you throw me a vote for this? It would really mean a lot to me. 

24:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
She threw out like 60. And we're all that Like, we're all human. Like the pretty girl asked you to hold her book. 

24:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
you know you might hold the book for I I tweeted uh, spinflinter lost a battle but won the war because yeah, the amount of shame she had to go through to scrape over the line like it's unbelievable, but she hates him so much like think about the amount of hate to spend your time winning an influencer bracket. 

25:07 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That's so embarrassing. 

25:09 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
The lengths you went through is so embarrassing. What was the surprise? 

25:16 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Let us know. 

25:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If you know, please let us know. By the way, this tweet, I actually fucking died of it. 

25:21
Good always prevails over evil is one of the funniest. Funniest tweets like this is think about the, the mindset yeah, she was going to war in the in in this influencer bracket. I will say I find it pretty. I want to pick, choose my words correctly here. I'm going to say sad. I find it sad that someone with over 200 000, 200 000 followers on twitter who's actively promoting this, could barely beat out someone with 5 000 followers on twitter. So it tells me one of two things one either spinfluencer stock is like extremely, extremely high in the sharp community, or that taylor's following is very engaged with her but does not have a lot of influence. 

26:08
She, yeah they, they will not run when she says to run yeah, well, like, I mean from my perspective, like taylor is the chief winning officer I think that's her title for novik. If I was novik and I saw her needing to like go to Instagram to get votes to beat someone with 5K followers, that's a burner account. That would tell me something about her ability to influence. You know what I'm saying. 

26:34 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
She has followers, but they don't care to engage, they're just there for sunny days. 

26:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, exactly as. 

26:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Shawn Michaels said to Bret Hart sunny days. 

26:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Sunny days. I remember that. 

26:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
There's some content that you consume privately but don't want to expose yourself for watching that. 

26:53 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, you can vote for her. That doesn't expose you. 

26:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, but you just enjoy the content. You don't need to, like you said, go to war for this person. 

27:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, but a vote isn't exactly that much. 

27:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It is kind of stunning to of how hard of a time she had if she had like a sponsored product, like if she had a show and like they ran an ad like sponsored the product. I don't think like her audience would support her in that way, yeah, that that's like there's levels of engagement, right. 

27:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So I feel very strongly in my following, right. It's why I'm really careful about the products we promote and stuff like that. I have been since, you know, at least for the last decade or so. But I there's certain people that have a highly engaged following where, if you tell them to do look at icy vert, look at that guy yeah, the guy that's winning the tournament I don't know the fuck he is, but he puts out one tweet of, like icy vert, army, let's go whatever. And boom, there's like 2 000 votes that come in on him. 

27:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Like that's an engaged following I'll even like be biased in a way, like, I think, our boy pat mayo. Like he said his audience like these are my sponsors. I need you to buy this. 

28:02 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I swear to you right, they would like run to support like they would just be all in right um, my favorite part of this whole contest was people having to find the division between, like, not wanting to show they care, but also wanting to win. So I think people had to fight between that, like how much do I want to embarrass myself? 

28:23
it depends to promote it, while showcasing, I don't care. But there was a lot of people probably feeling that way, like, oh, I don't want to feel like I care, but I do and want to win I think everyone had a different mentality to this. 

28:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Rufus's was hilarious because he had no idea why he was in this tournament. And they're like you're an influencer. He's like I don't want to be known as an influencer. 

28:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Like I don't really get what Rufus's point. He has a podcast. 

28:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He does, he's on a podcast, he simulated the entire first round and posted it. It took him 30 minutes to do it, he likes a lot of attention too, rufus. 

28:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He goes on shows and most of the time 99.9% of the time probably is the smartest guy in the room and he likes to go on shows and have that proven. 

29:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
yeah and I don't think it's a bad thing. 

29:07 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I almost think rufus, the people who are on the rufus like side of pre-eminent, like of top top shelf, they don't even like how public facing he is with some of his stuff. 

29:17 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think I would agree, but again, like, for me it was confusing with rufus. Like he does a podcast, like it would be different if he just had a twitter account, but like he, he does a podcast, he owns unabated right. Like, oh, he's part owner, yeah, part owner. 

29:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Like, yeah, he's clearly in this world yeah, I agree, I agree with that as well. But uh, to jacob's point, I think it depends on the person. Like I said, like for me, my matchups my first matchup was steffy smalls I I've interacted with her maybe a few times before, like I know of her, but I don't chat with her regularly. I could care less. As soon as you put me up against Kanish, I don't want to lose to Kanish because Kanish is going to talk about that for the next fucking five years. 

29:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I think that's a bit different. 

29:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Right, Then I match up against Benson in the semis. I almost wanted to quote tweet and said vote for Benson, Like I love Benson. It doesn't matter to me. Neither of us are promoing, so I think it depends on your matchup. 

30:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
But it was just people trying to play it off like it doesn't matter but also they very much wanted to win. 

30:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That was the division people had. I think that's normal behavior. 

30:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, but it was just still funny and entertaining to follow that. 

30:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Agreed. Now a bunch of the Book it personalities were put into the bracket at the start and then after the first round they were removed and it was revealed on the elf spaces that legal from Book it said like no, you can't use our personalities. 

30:40 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I wish, like Novig, I wish they had. I get it. It's not even worth the hassle. It's easy for me to say. It's like fucking sue us. You use your fucking picture. You guys tweet all fucking day. You make images, bring it on, write the letter. I thought it was really embarrassing. Yeah, I thought it was such a bad look. I would almost even assume I'm naive enough to think like Trent was probably unhappy with his boss's decision to do something like that. 

31:04
I agree, because he enjoys the game and he respects what's happening here a little bit. To be that sort of like, I called the Raz thing that soft serve baby shit. It's arrogance and baby shit wrapped in one. That doesn't just apply to other people, it applied to Book. 

31:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It. Yeah, baby shit. That's baby shit one that doesn't just apply to other people, it applied to book it. Yeah, like my. My best guess would be so book it has, I would guess, an exclusive deal with prize picks, because they're constantly promoting prize picks non-stop. My guess would be that, so their guys can't. 

31:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You know, educated guys weren't allowed to retweet it like in the same way, jack mack, because of draft kings and thing he's like, I'm in this thing but I'm not like acknowledging it even exists. Yes, that would be fair, but to say, like we're standing legal to have you remove us. 

31:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's baby shit, yeah, I, I just wonder. I like I'll, we'll never. I mean, I guess we could know. We could just ask trend directly, but my guess would be that it came from the sponsor and not book it where they're. Like you guys have to disassociate from this. That would be my very best guess, because they do like engagement, like they're building a brand on twitter engagement. Yeah, right, like you gotta play the fucking internet sometimes. Yes, uh, I will say I'm souring a lot on takes by jay recently. Uh, for a few issues, one boy one he got us this computer in studio which is, I mean, it's supposed to be like a top of the line thing that he built himself like five months ago. 

32:29 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's a piece of shit, is he a mole inside this company. 

32:32 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I told you, pre-show that you bear all responsibility for allowing that to happen. 

32:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Of course, I know it's on me as much as it's on him Is he getting paid by Simon Hunter Rob? 

32:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I as much as it's on him. Is he getting paid by Simon Hunter Rob? I mean it's very possible. 

32:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, I hear him in the spaces now and then and I'm not going to lie to you, I want to go in there and fucking bury him. Sometimes he comes in like really, really hot. He's like really upset. You know when you could tell. 

33:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Even this. You're selling a five-second video for $3. 

33:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What about that is like, that's a good tweet. I actually like this. 

33:11 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I like this one, because she said good prevails over, prevails over evil. She's, you know, selling a five second video. 

33:14 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
For five seconds, three dollars I don't know one video at least make it like a video roll so up in arms about all these things that like I just don't know why he cares so much. 

33:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, I like that he cares. 

33:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We'll get to it later in the show, but we each pick our back. Yeah, the funny thing about this is, if you were to rewind to like the first episodes we did of Circle Back, who was the biggest Taylor Mathis fan? It was Takes by Jay. I don't know what's happened over the course of 23 weeks. That's a good point. He has done a complete 180. He's lost it, but I'm going to tell you I'm losing it with him as well. This was a good tweet. 

33:55 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, if you were watching the show so far, there were some issues in the first segment which were related to the PC that we have. 

34:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, nothing that Jacob did himself. Uh, kirk, you tweeted this. Um, it's the one of my favorite memes to put together. Uh, actual markets. People want, with the straight arrow, the right arrow, influencer, head-to-head matchups and the novig being the car that is steering right. 

34:21 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Um, I you like you, you well. So we're in canada, so obviously I can't bet on novig, yeah, but let's just say hypothetically, I've heard, yeah, that there are people who are asking for specific markets for weeks, yep, and they haven't been put up. 

34:38 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And then their influencer head-to-head match-ups, I, I get that this is like yelling at like the gm about something the marketing team does right like. I feel like these are just yeah I was just at the point. We can't yell like we because they you didn't like the bobblehead promotions that we're going to yell about who's playing third base? 

35:00 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
like I'm with you on that. No, no, no, but but sorry, no, no, it's not the twitter tournament, this is put up markets oh yeah, like literally when I was beating okay, there was like a market I remember that, okay, I read that wrong. That's. That was a little bit of my frustration that's. 

35:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That is kind of a little bit fair, you know there's some copycat stuff that's happening. 

35:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I saw that I got tagged in this hbk bets. Uh, march madness one. I gotta tell you this. This guy, omar, must hate my guts by now because I don't ever go on his spaces anymore, or whatever. But like once, once it's been done, you gotta come up with some sort of new idea this omar guy. 

35:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I'm it's. It's getting to a, to a level of embarrassment. 

35:45 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You are in this bracket though rob, I know I'm a, I'm a three. This is why I figured out that I was in it. I got tagged as like a three seed with like some description as to why I I like the thought process that went into it. But it was just done this week. 

35:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Like it's time to move on and do something else this was embarrassing to to literally copy the idea in the same week is omar needs to take a breather. 

36:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, listen, he put forget influencer brackets. This one is all about the true gambling space of speakers. So they're trying to do something different, but it's there's too much overlap, you know listen, rob. 

36:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
We worked in like we had to produce like three hour radio shows daily. So we've all done the uh bar bracket, the cereal bracket. It's just this bracket season, baby, it's true. 

36:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It is the lowest hanging fruit. Brackets are so easy to develop. 

36:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I saw some of the bracket. Because you're on Twitter, it's hard to avoid these things. 

36:42 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
OutKick's got a bracket. 

36:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The other version of the other side bracket. 

36:47 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's all brackets, brackets and drafts. 

36:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
To your rankers. Very easy to produce content that way. Switch gears to our next topic. I'm going to throw up the X right here as we do, so that's not X. Pet peeve of mine, people who call Twitter X, I'm just old school. But throwing up the X for De Bryant, who is now promoting a Discord. Join the Discord and tune in tomorrow for exclusive info on the money route. 

37:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Don't miss out. And then there was another one that got deleted. I just want to point out some tweets were deleted by Des. 

37:20 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Which is interesting because they were just promoting this Discord. So this was talked about a little bit on the elf spaces on sunday night. In terms of what dez is doing, uh, from he's very been very explicit, saying that he's not selling picks in the discord. I don't have access into the discord, but it seems like I mean this is. This is his description. I tapped into the space on some chill shit and folks are mad because I'm here. They're fabricating lies. Most cappers are broke and they mainly profit from selling picks. I'm entering this space because I have more to offer than most, which is a fact. By the way, for the billionth time, I am not a capper. Keep your notifications on. 

38:00
So what I'm trying to piece together here is what's going on with this discord. It seems like he's kind of like the face of it. He's not necessarily selling picks. He's starting to interact with the betting community a lot. You know they tried to get him into some spaces. Elf said let's make it happen, des Bryant. He said yup. Then again he tweeted elf, I may need to come on your show sooner rather than later to show people a difference between me and them. I hate that. It must be this way. I'm ready to weed out the bullshit anyways. Um, so what we've established? He says he's not selling picks. He's interacting with people from the betting community, trying to get them into a discord where, theoretically, some people are selling picks. When I say he's interacting, jeff's seeing this for the first time. He's dying of laughter. He's dying of laughter. 

38:55
George GRP posted I heard Des Bryant might be getting in the sports gambling space so I wanted to show him the napkin trick where the syrup stays on one end of the plate and it's a picture of him stuffing a napkin under to tilt the plate a little bit. He also tweeted great idea, by the way. Yeah, it's. I was going to give this as my plus ev move of the week on circles off this week. I think it's a great one. Uh, is des selling pics now? Des bryant responds fuck, no, I'm not a scammer. And then someone tagged us, which you're supposed to do hashtag circle back if you want us to talk about something. Des, quote, tweeted that and said I respect this. I saw that. Do we think he has any fucking clue what this show is like? 

39:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I would do. You think he knows what that is? I would normally say very unlikely, but the fact that he knows what the elf spaces is and he's kind of now in the gambling Twitter community, it's at least possible. 

39:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I respect this. It has nothing to do with this. What does that even mean? 

39:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I actually think it's definitely a higher percentage he knows what this is than Rob, but he might have no clue or think it is something else. He might have no clue or think it is something else. Well, I'm interacting with george also is like a spidey sense that he's like kind of in the know he's kind of interacting with everyone, which I find weird. 

40:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean, I think the most likely scenario here is that des is like the front man, for somebody reached out to him they said hey, des, like we'll cut you in on x amount of profits or you own x percentage of this or whatever, and he's just like the public celebrity face for what's going on and he probably believes that he's doing some good for the community, because I think the vast majority of these people do believe he's doing good for the community. I have no idea what this paid discord looks like, but apparently there's like other people that are giving picks and I I don't. I can't wrap my head around it. All other than that I'm a huge des bryant fan because I was a cowboys fan. I am a fan and it kind of just pains me to see this a little. It's like, listen, dez is not like my favorite cowboy of all time, but someone I rooted for forever. And now he's like, implicitly, like or not like perpetuating what is inevitably going to be some sort of scam. 

41:16 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Like it hurts me a little bit and when you see this, it's hard to me at least hard not to think of. Like there's probably not much football money left. That's that was my first thought, maybe. Like I don't think you're promoting a discord. If you know, you put all your football money into the snp and it's grown seven percent year over year. 

41:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I just don't think I. 

41:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I agree. Seven percent, whatever, ten percent, eleven, yeah I just. But it is interesting to see a guy like des bry Bryant in the football or sorry, in the betting community, replying to George and it does seem like he has at least some of a clue. He's like I'm not a scammer. There's so many people in this injury theory during bat. I'm trying to do good. He clearly sees gambling Twitter content on his Twitter page. 

42:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, I actually think that like is telling him what to say yes, somebody's like writing this stuff for him sure, I look forward to the five minutes of des versus vig in an upcoming spaces. Oh, that's gonna be brutal, brutal, but like that. 

42:16 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's my whole thing. Right, like he'll probably will end up doing these elf spaces. He seems pretty sincere about it, which would be a big, big get for for elf, in that he's going to go in there and it's going to be. You know, this is just a prediction, but it's going to be within five minutes. It's going to be very apparent that he has no idea about anything in the sports betting space. Right, I think it's. It's another case of, like, good intentions but going to amount to something that, inevitably, you know you're not going to want your name behind, type of thing, right, I mean, it's painful but uh, but that's it. We'll head back to circle back in just a second bobby pizza here. You know me. 

42:55
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44:01
Tip-off is approaching. We're only offering a limited number of spots to access college basketball throughout the tournament. If you're serious about winning this March Madness, now's your chance to get access. Apply now, go to betstampcom. Slash circles off. Once spots are gone, they're gone for good. Link is in the description below. Ariel Epstein tweeted. Why has everyone become so horrible to each other on Gambling X? Pet peeve. I just saw the Gambling X. We all have one goal Make money by beating the book and have a great freaking time doing it. If everyone has the same goal, why rip apart those just trying to help and grow the business, obviously scammers excluded. There's a lot to talk about here. Right, I think I get the idea behind the tweet, first and foremost as someone who joined gambling Twitter more than a decade ago, so I want to say around 2010. It's always been like this? 

45:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
When did gambling Twitter start? Because? Is she talking about Twitter 1.0 when, like larry fitzgerald would tweet, I'm going to the mall, right? Come say hi to me at cheesecake factory like that was 1.0 that was twitter at one point. Yeah, I'm at the mall come say hi yes right, yep, like so. 

45:20
And we right right, robin, being in content from a long time, like it just evolved. We had message boards on websites that we had to like monitor and sometimes the boss said we gotta shut that message board down, and then message boards died and that discourse went to twitter. Yeah, so I don't know when, like gambling, twitter actually started to like quantify this, but it's all just the same version of the internet yeah, I I'm just like from when I was younger. 

45:50 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So again, I was. I skewed towards the rec side of gambling twitter. When I was younger, all the interactions that I had that were like let's call it real betting. Like we're very toxic. Right like people like digs, who I interviewed recently, seth burn, all the seville guys. Right like grooving mohoven there was this guy, norm gambles. These people used to come after me every single day and I used to just dismiss them completely as trolls. So like this has been happening for ages. Now I think the the landscape has evolved though, because back then I'm not going to say nobody was selling shit, but it kind of felt like nobody was selling shit. Like me posting my pics on Twitter. I wasn't like selling them or anything. It wasn't really that harmful. It wasn't really that harmful. 

46:57 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Nowadays there are so many people that are selling things whether it's picks, discord, whatever that I think Epstein looks at herself as a business woman who her business is betting and selling picks, and she's running a good business Selling, not picks. I'll clarify, she has like a newsletter that has picks in it. 

47:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I didn't know that Okay, the thing is talking baseball. 

47:20 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But she is selling information and picks and people who win gambling think that, okay, if you sell picks and you are a losing gambler, which I personally, in my opinion, think. Ariel Epstein is a losing gambler. Based on what I've seen, I think she's like one of the very lower tier, like losing touts in terms of how much bad she does, but I think her business is doing bad. That's my opinion and then those people look at themselves as like, oh, I'm a good person, why are people being mean to me? But people who really know look at it as okay, you are selling a product and that product is losing sports betting picks. That is bad. So that is why that contradiction always happens, because the person involved who's getting criticized is, thinks of themselves as good yes, yes and the other person, who typically is a sharper winning, better, looks at this as I am. You are selling to unsuspecting customers who think you will help them win money, when you won't I agree with you on that. 

48:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think that there's a that's not specific to ariel epstein at all no, it's most of the space. 

48:29
Every time, yeah, yeah, agreed, everybody thinks they're the good guy, everyone, including us. That's the like the twitter spaces where you got two people batting, battling it out everyone thinks that they are in the position of good. I'm trying to help the. The challenge is when you're trying to help, you have good intentions but you're not actually providing something that helps and in some cases you're actually providing something that hurts, in a lot of of cases as well. But I guess the toxicity of gambling twitter for me, that's always been apparent, like you know. Here's some reactions here. Uh, jeff from Circa Sportsbook. I may be in the minority, but I enjoy the toxicity and cesspool we call gambling Twitter, as do I. Personally, I'm in the minority, mark Zinno, who I think is a tout for wager talk. I'm pretty sure the playbook of tearing down others to lift yourself up has been around long before Twitter. Slash X. This platform magnifies it. It's also exasperated by people making self-proclamations about who they are to become a niche attraction for clout, followers, money the simplest way to combat it to thine own self. 

49:38 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Be true Again that's like the classic answer of like oh, you're just tearing people down to lift yourself up. It's like, again, it's just people looking at the situation from two completely different frames, like Mark Zeno. Yep, if I broke it down to him in this way, you know, let's say someone is a shirt seller and they sell shirts but they're misrepresenting what the shirts are, yeah, mark Zeno would obviously say oh, oh, yeah, that person is grifting or doing something bad yeah but he can't really recognize. 

50:09
I don't know if he's a winning tout or a losing tout I have never heard of him but he doesn't. He thinks, oh, if he was criticizing that shirt seller he wouldn't say, oh, you're just bringing people down to lift yourself up. He would say, oh no, that shirt seller is doing something actively bad and deserves criticism. But they just can't see it from that frame. 

50:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, the rest of the world operates like that. Like if you order a product online that was presented to you in a certain way and then you get it on your front porch from Amazon, you open it up and you're like this ain't the product I ordered, everyone would be like, yeah, that's a scam. But in the sports, sports betting space it's not viewed that way. It's. It's such a unique space it really is. But I think it's because there's so many people you know, bobby stanley jr because a lot of money is involved now selling picks and it brings out the worst in people there. There's like this generation of people. Now, you know, this is where I I question the original aerial tweet, which was like we all have the same goal of beating the books. That's wrong. That's not true. Most people I want to say most, so many people nowadays don't have a goal of beating the books. 

51:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Their goal is to sell. 

51:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They just want to sell. They see they want to beat the customer exactly. And also, by the way, like beating the books is beating other people. Like I'm enough of beating the books, you have to beat other people. This is a marketplace, right? Like that's the way it works. It's not like all we're all in it together, us against the books. No, it's you against other betters. We got to get rid of that. But, um, dan liftchat says I blame mathis. I think he was saying that as a joke. Yeah, uh, kelly in vegas, are you kidding me? It's better now than when I was getting doxxed in 2011 by 40-plus-year-old men who wanted nothing more than to see me left in the desert. This happened Like I remember this. These were like Kelly and Seville, like this has been happening forever. 

51:55 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Do you know, like Rob, how many times even before like Twitter fully took off and like people who actually had an actual platform were the celebrities or the blue check marks, and how many times we'd have to talk down certain hosts from some of the negativity they were seeing on Twitter 12 years ago? Oh yeah, I remember those days Right, but I'm not even just talking about I'm sure Kelly's was horrific as a female. I'm not even talking about cool dudes, I'm just like what the hell is this? 

52:28 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, it's always being around. 

52:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think my guess would be obviously, that tweet comes from a place. She's probably getting it worse than ever now, I would guess. In terms of the feedback towards her, I would say that's likely happening because she's selling a product at this point. But for me, the main points, I would say that's likely happening because she's selling a product at this point, but for me, the main points I would say is that the toxicity has always existed on gambling Twitter and it always will, because there are always going to be people who are gatekeepers for the space. And I don't know what it is, but I certainly feel this way. I know you do because I've seen your tweets. I know you do because I've seen your tweets. There's something as a sharp better that a lot of us go through when we see something from like a recreational that doesn't make sense, where we just I can't like Sharp. 

53:15 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
betters are easy to get. Like they wrangle very easily. 

53:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Exactly so. It's always going to exist like that, because there's always going to be this collection of people included that literally can't handle the emotions when they see something really stupid, and that's the honest to god truth. 

53:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah I agree with that. And they don't take enough solace and just knowing that they're so much smarter in that guy, they gotta get like hyper worked up. They're easy to get their cage, the cages of sharp twitter get rattled. So easily. 

53:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But it's also just the way that the platform works, because they're it's interaction with one another. Right like, think about, I don't spend a lot of time on instagram or tiktok, but you don't get the interactions like you do on twitter, because twitter is more conversational, whereas, like instagram, I'll post something about my day, somebody says something stupid on my timeline, I'm just going to delete the comment and block them and no one's ever going to see this again, whereas on twitter it lives and more people get involved when they see that stuff too. So it's the platform itself that, I think, causes a lot of that, sorry. 

54:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I want to add one thing. When he says the simplest way to combat it, it's basically just like do your own thing, like the simplest way to combat it is if you're selling picks, show a winning record at fair prices at widely available books. Maybe you could do that. 

54:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Nobody will bother, will bother you, yeah well, like mark zinno, he's a handicapper at wager talk, right, and I'm not. We don't have to go like really deep into all this stuff, but if you really cared about, about, you know, helping people and things of that nature, I completely agree with Jacob. 

54:49
Like there's record keeping nowhere to be found, like these types of businesses everyone just assumes that they can sell something in the space and there should never be any backlash for what they're doing. But like these are, these are very fair things to call into question, in my opinion, and sometimes you can do it in a way where you're a complete asshole and a jerk. Sometimes you can do it where you're not. There's different ways to go about it, but there is a lot of stuff that's happening in the space right now that is harmful, plain and simple is harmful, and for me, I just can't let that slide, and there's other people who can't either. 

55:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah, you're talking about. About scam shirt salesmen, for example. The issue is on Twitter. There's thousands of scam shirt salesmen and saleswomen who all band together to defend each other, which you don't get for clothing. Other clothing brands aren't coming out to say well, they're just selling clothes. You just let them do their own thing. 

55:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's sort of like when you I mean it's probably been at least 20 years but walking through a time square and people are just bombarding you to buy things, rob. I like I'm not really into rap music, if you could guess, but these guys tried to like just I'm waiting for my wife in a store. 

55:58
They're giving me a cd. I go here's five dollars, leave me alone. Like I don't know, I'll never listen to your cd. I don't want your cd. But if you'll stop talking to me like, leave me alone, like here, I love that um and that's. But that's what it's like. You're just being bombarded with guys who are promoting their knockoff merch yeah, yeah and uh. 

56:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Nowadays we're being bombarded with physical challenges in the space. Um, we've had a bunch this week. We had jeff nadu running a mile in under eight and a half minutes. We had elf 50 push-ups in a minute. We had beef, shady beef and dgen weekly playing one-on-one basketball first to 15 as well. 

56:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I missed that, as I missed that as well, I missed that one. 

56:44 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, it went very, very poorly for D-Gen Weekly. He lost 15 to 1. It was rather embarrassing. All of these events have had markets on the sweepstakes exchanges as well. This, for me, feels like we've gone full circle to covid days, where there was nothing else to bet on. So there was all sorts of stupid competitions that were happening out there. 

57:11
I remember betting knish under a certain number of push-ups in 10 minutes at bet online back in the day. Uh, won a pretty penny off that because he he obviously couldn't do the push-ups. But how do we? There's there's there's a lot of topics to go through here, because library man of the library has called into question whether or not these things should happen, they should be able to happen or not. Um, he saw stuff like elf post on his personal instagram to a friend saying I got you, brother, on the push-up competition. Um, I don't know why library's so upset. He looks like he bet like a total of I think it was like 30 bucks, 37, 32 I think was the exact 32 dollars and 69 cents I don't, and for literally in the whole, lead up to this thing. 

58:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Every time I was in the spaces it was being talked about, someone would come in and preface like you can't cry after this thing. Yeah, like if you're dumb enough to be on the wrong side of a dude telling you he can do it, then you can't cry about it. Even if it was, I mean, I guess it was manipulated in the sense that Elf fucking knew he could do it and his friends knew he could do it, and a man in the library didn't see that in the fucking stars because the moon was red, as he was on his period. I don't understand what his issue could be here. Now, like betting on yourself, is that a bit of an issue? Sure, I know, like you bet online, wouldn't let me bet on myself in our yeah, when we had our golf, our mini golf profit. 

58:50
X would let you bet on yourself. So these are just. 

58:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They play by two different rules um so, but I mean, I don't know that they did I. 

59:00 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So first elf arbed himself okay, and he's an arbor, so he was just playing to his brand of hey guys, I arbed myself and man of the library is freaking out about that. I don't get it. 

59:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think library's point. I can't even believe I'm gonna say this. I think it's valid in the sense that, like these are not markets with integrity, so to speak. Right like you know, elf says I'm gonna do fucking bet on 50 push-ups I agree. 

59:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, you can bet on it, you just can't cry about it. We understand the integrity going in. 

59:30 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think everyone does exactly that, and that's where I was getting to like absolutely could. Could somebody post a market where, or or agree to do some sort of challenge that they know they are going to be able to do or not be able to do? Absolutely that can happen till the end of time, but everybody knows that, like the people, betting on this. 

59:51 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
No, no, no. This fucking guy. No one spends more time, probably, in the spaces than this guy elf well, maybe jason yeah, it's by jays up there talks about, like how often he's at the gym. Regularly he's posted dms about like girls asking him to work out with them. Like I don't think you are working out with a girl if you're, like, mid at the gym. Oh yeah, I don't think you're in the same way, rob, I might take a girl to top golf, yeah but. 

01:00:20
I am not bringing her on the course. You can't see her she cannot. 

01:00:24 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
She can't see you shank a driver off the tee into the woods. You know Driver's safe. No, your driver's pretty good Bad example. Yeah, yeah. 

01:00:30 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Just the other things, like the simpler things. I don't want her to see, like me, make a quad. 

01:00:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I know exactly what you mean. 

01:00:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Topgolf, come watch me put on a stripe show. But like it was all, like every sign was pointing he's crying after I. Just he stayed up till 10.30 in the morning crying on the internet about it. 

01:00:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean the real issue for me, and I'm just going to level with everyone here I don't give a shit about these challenges. No offense to Nadeau. I'm glad Nadeau's lost like 100 pounds and he's in shape now. Do I want to watch him run for eight minutes on a treadmill? I don't give a fuck. Do I want to watch elf do 50 push-ups? Not only do I not want to watch him do the 50 push-ups, I don't want to hear him talk about it for an entire week, and I don't want to hear amanda vance talking about it like I don't want. 

01:01:21 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't, I just want to get back elf did the push to the real beefs, but let's also call it what it was. The whole thing was an El Vanity project. He knew he could do it and for Library to be involved that much and to be like I'm here to have bet the other side and then crying about it is legit insane. But Elf talked about it for weeks. He created this own. He almost created a reason to take his shirt off and profit from taking his shirt off. 

01:01:57
Yeah, credit to Elf because he did that Stock up on. 

01:02:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Elf for sure, Guy's jacked man yeah. 

01:02:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
There's a lot of things I'll make fun of. Elf, for Two thumbs up credit to this. You said it. Paying man of the Library a dollar back would be the worst thing. 

01:02:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah well, man of the Library's like, yeah, pay me back. Then I'm like, no, no, no, Do not, absolutely do not pay him back. 

01:02:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is so sorry. This is so stupid. Somebody successfully completed a challenge. 

01:02:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
If somebody's in a boxing match and they think they're going to win. 

01:02:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
They didn't rig it because they won the fight and thought they'd win the fight. 

01:02:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Library wants to be like the fucking boxing commission. Though that has all the. There were supposed to be two camera views. 

01:02:38 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I can't see that as chest touch. 

01:02:40 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They were obviously very good form push-ups. 

01:02:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
The only thing I'm giving to library is like elf, like, oh, like the second video and like was another person there. He was like very weird and like coy about jeff, which I don't think he had to be, but man of the library yelling at elf for like a haircut was also ridiculous. 

01:03:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He's an agitator. He goes in and like, like Nadeau. Obviously if you run on a treadmill it's very different than running on a track right. 

01:03:09 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Nadeau said he was doing it on a treadmill 100%. 

01:03:12 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He made it very clear beforehand he was doing it on a treadmill. That's where the competition was done. But he finds a way to agitate people. That's what Library does. He agitates, it's all all like an entire agitation thing. Green Means Gold tweeted. My biggest fear tonight was that the elf pushups would lack legitimacy and technicalities would become a nightmare. Was not the case. Clearly accomplished the task at hand. My new biggest fear is that the sweepstake books will continue to wrap up legitimate markets that can be easily manipulated. 

01:03:39 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
So I think there are two big takeaways. One a lot of people bet on this and that's really good for the sweepstakes books. Yep, because clearly elf has like motion right now, like people are fucking into elf and that's clearly being really good for him. But also like just the fact that people cared I thought was really good for the exchanges because like playmaker dave talked about it on one of the spaces, like people were talking about it in the space and like I don't think people realize that, how interested people would be in stuff like this. And then the second takeaway is man the library is a fucking moron who cares about what he said. 

01:04:12
But the real problem is when something like this happens, a lot is bet on it and either Elf or Nadeau lose and like there's some like maybe it's sketchy on how they lost and how hard they were going, and then it comes out after they took a position against themselves. That's when this would become like oh shit, that's really sketchy and really weird and then they probably need to stop. That's the integrity part you should be expected to bet on yourself. And also in these competitions the expectation is like obviously Elf thinks he can do 50 push-ups. He wouldn't do it otherwise. 

01:04:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So yeah, no one wants to embarrass themselves. 

01:04:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You're betting against Elf being delusional or choking under pressure. That's what you're betting the no on, Obviously he thinks he can do it. 

01:04:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You're betting into a market where you have all this info. Yes, exactly. 

01:05:01 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
And, and I would say Elf, like, even like he's, I don't think he's delusional. I've listened to enough spaces where, like I don't think he's delusional, I mean there's things he might do that I don't agree with. There's some shows where I think I'm getting one product and I get a completely other product that I'm not interested in, whatever, but I don't think he's. There's no chance he would do that. If anything you've learned he's way too vain to have fucking put out, to put a number he'd lose on Well, that's why yes was the obvious bet. 

01:05:36 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
The thing for me is obviously the sweepstakes books should lean into this. It's a differentiator for them. The regulated books cannot offer stuff like that. So what's going to happen? 

01:05:44 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
in golf season. I don't mean more. Thus I mean like golf seems like the ultimate, like goo, twitter, goober, contest, sport sure I mean but listen, I, I just I'm calling us twitter goobers too 100 and I don't know. 

01:06:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
there should be very clear rules with with each market. I but at the end of the day, if you're betting on this stuff, you should be doing it. These are fun bets, these are recreational bets. You should not be dropping $5,000 on when Joey Kanish says he can run the eight-minute mile. We should not be doing that. These are for engagement. 

01:06:22
They're just to provide some entertainment value there is clearly opportunity for people who actually know the person to freaking cash as we saw, of course, and that's why I'm suggesting to anyone out there if you're gonna bet it for a, for a sweat, sure, throw fucking 10, 20 bucks down on it. But like, yes, this is a market where there's going to be an informational advantage every single time and you got to know that. Going in, like when elf posts the 50 push-ups, like sorry, when when it gets posted on what profit x or whatever, and somebody fucking seeds the market with eight thousand dollars on the, yes, he's gonna do it. Like maybe the warning signs or the alarm bells are going off in other people's heads of like, maybe possibly someone really knows he can do this. You know, but this was, yeah, man, a really old tweet from Kanisha. It's just weird because it's all coming full circle with gambling, twitter, now the stuff that was popular I mean, that's how fads work and trends over time they just come back into place. 

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01:09:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
All right. Last week's comments here After one appearance. Mike Vivian says Joey K has entered the conversation with Jeff to be the Stephen A and Skip of sports debates. Two goats, how do you like being compared to Stephen A or Skip? 

01:09:37 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Jeff. I mean, I think it's a compliment, so I'm not going to be insulted. That's good. I don't. Yeah, that's nice. I like Joey a lot. I thought he did a good job last week, so did I. 

01:09:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Actually, I will say, of all the comments, from the comments last week it was very, very clear to me that people really enjoyed Kanisha on this show. One of the challenges and I read every single piece of feedback every single week because we want to make this show better going forwards one of the challenges is, I like having this show in studio and for those that don't might not know why it's uh, it's really easy to host it and and direct the conversation. I can look at kirk and kirk knows that he's talking. Next I could look at jeff. We can have those. Having knish broadcast via his basement I think might take away from it a little bit, but we're working on some options. We're working on some options. So more on that, but I do value the feedback. Please leave us some comments. Make sure you like and subscribe here as well. 

01:10:40
I blame you guys for mushing big cat to jeff o'reilly. That was gonna. I mean, obviously that was inevitably going to happen Like he was going to lose a pick regardless of whether or not we talked about him. But yes, it happened. Uh, italian Mamba shower Orange is not good. I don't know why this comes up every week, cause we never talk about it on the show anymore, but we did talk about it. 

01:11:01 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Uh. 

01:11:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Watch along Talked about eating an orange. Somebody said they love shower beers. I personally like a shower beer. After like a day of golf where I'm hot, I come home, take a cold shower with a beer Love that. Jason said to try a shower orange. This might be the next piece of stupid engaging content we have to do. I cannot imagine a shower orange being any good. 

01:11:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No, I don't want to eat anything in the shower. Where do you throw the peel? 

01:11:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
that's what I don't understand. Do you peel it before you get in the shower? You must shower orange um luxury rides for you. This may come off as sounding like man yells at cloud, but man of the library getting any respect in any space forum or public gathering rubs me the wrong way. If someone can change personalities like a chameleon on Adderall, then they deserve zero attention from anyone. It encapsulates a lot of gambling Twitter these days, where everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame, regardless of how shitty a human you may be. Totally agree. That's one of the real problems. 

01:12:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's one of the real problems, that's one of the real problems. 

01:12:06 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You gave him too much respect. Last week you did. 

01:12:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I gave Library too much respect. Yeah, what did I say about him? You said he was normal. 

01:12:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He had turned the corner a bit on a lot of people. No, but it's a shtick. 

01:12:17 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's all a shtick Like this is not how he is. This he's just pushing buttons, dude. He lives off of pushing buttons. You're still defending him. He's a goof. Let me make that extremely clear. But it's all a shtick. Everyone just keeps giving him the time of day in these spaces. He comes in, he pushes buttons, someone joins and argues with him. It's cyclical. He's a very good agitator. He's still a complete goof, don't get me wrong. But he's an agitator. 

01:12:48 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
What you got to do now is just picture the fedora on the other side of the screen. It's true? It's true, absolutely won't be as aggrieved a reminder. 

01:12:55 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
You want to get your comments up? Leave a comment down below. And, uh, I do have an announcement really quickly. Winner of the swag giveaway. We're going to do one of these every single week. Last week's winner is lee h rat 9591. That's your youtube handle, lee h rat 9591. What you got to do is email circles off at the hammer dot bet. Just reach out to us, give us your sizing, your address, personal details. We'll get you out your swag bag. Another Another one being given away next week. It's going to include some Circles Off gear, some BetStamp gear. 

01:13:29
You got to do three things. First thing you got to do sub to this channel. Sub to Circles Off here on YouTube. Number one, out of the way. Number two leave us a comment. Could be about anything. Could be that you want the swag bag. It could be any comment, doesn't matter. As long as you leave one, you're entered in the swag bag giveaway. And number three subscribe to circles off HQ on Twitter, on X Twitter, whatever you want to call it. Three things sub here, sub on Twitter, leave us a comment. It's that easy. We're doing the airing of grievances. It is not Festivus, that is late December. We are not in december. We're in march. However, both of you guys usually it's me getting into the. I had a really quiet week on twitter. I didn't tweet a lot. My wife's away uh, I've been having a great time. It's keeping to myself. Kirk has been going at it with the right angle sports account. Jeff has been feuding with Steve Fezzik account. I'm going to give you okay. You take issue with saying feuding, because it looks like feuding. 

01:14:34 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Sure, but it's like an offshoot of like Right Angle Sports thing. 

01:14:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Okay, they're all connected. 

01:14:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, it's all like, feels like it's interconnected here. 

01:14:46 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, there's also more to it and I will let you guys both speak your piece in one second. One of the inherent challenges with this show is we talk about the same people a lot that come up regularly. They never get a chance to defend themselves, and I'm very cognizant of that. We have our own platform. We speak our minds. It's one-sided because these are our opinions. Um, I talked to jared smith privately this week about that as well, because last week he was, he came up in commentary, but they don't get a chance to defend themselves and a lot of this. Just, you know, we do a show, we say our things, and then a lot of the conversation happens on twitter, quote tweets back and forth. It gets out of hand. So there's a, there's a reason like this this argument doesn't happen in real time, it just like kind of extends over the course of a week and I think because of that, things escalate like way quicker way way like okay, kirk, right angle sports this week. 

01:15:47
What's the? What's the beef? Why are you going back and forth so? 

01:15:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
well, yeah, they really crashed out. Um. So I think right angle sports thinks like I have like a personal vendetta against them, which I don't. I've no problem with any of them. I'm sure even ed golden, who I think runs a twitter account he's a good guy I'm sure I would like him. But, like I just tweet my what I think and and honestly, like, right angle sports is the most expensive service, okay, that I know of of like sharper respected pick sellers. However, you want to say that, sure, and their product has just turned into something that I could never recommend to anyone. 

01:16:31
So I posted at them that they've been negative over the last three years in college basketball. They responded they're up 70 units paying thousands of dollars, with lines that are impossible to get or extremely hard to get, yes, and plays that absolutely destroy accounts. I just can't, because I think in their head they're like we're playing major markets with big limits, but big limits only really exist if the line lasts for more than 0.1 of a second. So it just doesn't really matter that they play more competitive times or more competitive markets, because you're obviously not betting it at Pinnacle, chris or BetOnline. Maybe one person can get one of those sites. Sure, then if you're someone else, you're either betting legals, which you're going to get restricted extremely quickly, and then you're going to be able to bet essentially nothing, maybe PPHs, but we know that PPHs are kind of going as a thing of the past and their ROI is like 3% in the absolute rosiest of cases. So I just it's not anything personal against them I cannot see one logical reason or one person who would. It would make sense to subscribe. 

01:17:54
And I tweeted and rath wasn't happy. They said I argued in bad faith. I tweeted respond to me or dm. If you're a rath subscriber of the last few years and you've had a positive experience as a recording of the show. There were zero, I think. Actually, I looked on Twitter and one person responded with something positive, and there were. I did get DMs of negative things. So the fact that they have a negative ratio of that and I am being genuine If you have a positive experience of RAS over the past few years, dm me or comment on my Twitter. I, over the past few years, dm me or comment on my twitter. I am happy to change my mind, but I just how could I possibly recommend them as a service if those are the parameters? 

01:18:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
we're gonna. We're gonna get, we're gonna get this hashed out at some point, because I will say I'm not just playing devil's advocate, but you say it's not personal. 

01:18:42
Yes, it comes from my perspective and this is not just through twitter, not, it comes off as very personal just outside looking in. Second thing, like just listening to your response, I can already tell you there's gonna be like a million things. Of course, no one would be following kirk evans. That's like a rass subscriber or thinks highly of them, because you guys are at war right now. So you're not going to get people reaching out to you saying, kirk I? I actually don't agree with that at all. 

01:19:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I think in the sharp-edding community there might be people that, like Raz, respect Kirk and might be able. I don't fully agree with everything Kirk said and I'll get to my piece in a minute, but I actually do agree that there would be definitely people in his audience who are intermingling there for sure. 

01:19:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Listen, I'm not a RAS apologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I can already tell you that, based off of that three minutes there where you kind of spoke your piece, that's going to lead to another six hours wasted from you and Golden. 

01:19:42 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
But the thing is, I made all these points on Twitter and they just replied with quotes of me from three years ago that sure, okay, so that was like the gotcha moment. I, I do the gotcha moment was something I said on the podcast last week like, yeah, I remember saying it, obviously I'll stick by it. 

01:19:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, there's a few things. The one was where you um, you said something good about rass, like a year ago, that they like multiple years, multiple years ago, that they used against you which, by the way, your tweet about like I learned that I was like really dumb back in 2023 was a very funny one, I thought. But also they have you admitted on this podcast that sometimes you like to shit disturb a little bit. You'll be sitting at your desk and you're bored and whatever, and I think that's also being used against you. 

01:20:23 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah no, that bored and whatever, and I think that's also being used against you. Yeah, no, that's what they tweeted. Yeah, I said that last week like I I do do that, but it's not like. It's not that I'm posting something I don't believe to shit disturb. It's more like okay, this would be like I'm scrolling through my. If I wanted to, I could respond to thousands of tweets with like things that I disagree with. I just I don't have enough time in the day to do that at all times. So I'm saying normally at that. Normally, if I'm in a mood to post something and get into a twitter fight, those are the circumstances. It's not like I'm tweeting something that I don't believe got it. 

01:20:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I have some ideas as to how we can potentially not squash this beef but, um make it a more of a fair fight. Jeff youzzik, you guys were boys for a while. He's texting you every day, so what's going on? 

01:21:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
here. So let's just back the bus up a little bit here and sure I live my own reality. That's true. I'd like firstly to start this off by thinking everything about Raz. I've always been complimentary to say it's obvious. They move markets, so if you can get in on it, then there's clear value there. I put them, say like they're top shelf, like they're top shelf. I've always said, historically, beef or no beef, the guy who runs the Twitter account doesn't seem very good at the internet. If I was Raz I would just charge my prices and say nothing like a lot of top tier brands. Now, uh, it started because I last week you made a comment. They took offense to it. 

01:21:54
I would say, in knowing rob and again, I live in my own reality rob is like very like fair to raz. I've seen rob in public be very fair to Raz. I'll golf with Rob. My friend's Ben Hardell within by the fourth hole. One of them, who won't admit it, who I think subscribes to Raz, already asks Rob about Raz and his response is not like what Ed thinks it would be. It's actually quite fair. It's more like well, do you sweep floors at your dad's factory like Feinberg? Well, do you sweep floors at your dad's factory like feinberg? Or do you gotta take clients in the day, right, right, like yeah, they'll be like well, I'm a lawyer. Be like I don't know if raz is actually like good for you, yeah, because I like you need to get down quick. You need to get down, yeah. So I come from a perspective of you actually being very fair to raz, in my opinion. Okay. 

01:22:44
So then Raz took great offense. You made a comment last week. Ed hit a rope over first base, like the second baseman who hits before the pitcher. He hits one over first base, it dribbles into the corner. He gets to third. It was a good tweet. It was no, like Adam Dunn moonshot, but it was a good tweet. Do I respond? Do I not respond? You go, you go. 

01:23:07
A great tweet, man, even though your bar is low, yeah but hold on but everyone on twitter knows on gambling twitter knows like the guy who runs raz twitter isn't like great at tweeting. Yeah, that is not like a thing feinberg created last week. Yeah, that is a documented thing, okay. So then, in defense of rob, in the same way you know, j Jared Smith defended Fezzik. Maybe I got like extra defensive because you know Ed writes his whole paragraph about you and I think you've actually been pretty fair to Raz, both on air and off air how I have seen it. So my response is like this guy's pretty freaking soft. You're just like soft. Like this guy's pretty freaking soft. You're just like soft. Like you run the highest priced platform on here. That comes with the level of scrutiny that they don't seem to understand exists, but top tier and I acknowledge their top shelf and what like. 

01:23:59
You fucking see rolex arguing with people on the internet. Right, does rolls royce? Argue with people if you're worth what you charge. Your product is impenetrable. Yeah, the people who pay for it are happy. 

01:24:13
I have too many subscriptions. I got three kids and a wife. The amount of things that auto renew on my credit card each month is disgusting that I don't even use it. It's embarrassing. I really should go through it and tame it down. But if I was getting auto-renewed on something that cost $3,000 or $10,000, I promise you it would not auto-renew unless it was delivering for me. If I wanted something and it was giving me something else, I wouldn't be there long, right? This is not $9.99 a month like the. Like the other auto renews hitting the account. So that's just my whole thing. 

01:24:50
And maybe I've got my how I, rob, like you've known me personally, like that's just how I communicate, yes, like I am a brash communicator, yes, and people who aren't friends of mine, like it can be off-putting, but that's just how I communicate. Like it can be off-putting, but that's just how I communicate. I'm not really going to apologize for it, but overall I yeah, that that's just my advice to rad. Like charge what you charge, charge it, but do not. Defending it is actually making it really bad for your brand. Yep it it. It hurts the brand. To defend the price point. You just fucking charge it. Okay, that's my opinion, okay. 

01:25:31 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I will say just Maybe I missed something. Oh, there is like a smaller RAS package that they talk about. It's got WNBA, it's got WNBA. Yeah, stuff like that Someone had me research it. 

01:25:42 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm sorry it's a WNBA thing, so congratulations. You charge $200 if I want WNBA picks. Second halves smaller leagues props. 

01:25:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What if I? 

01:25:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
want something baseball. 

01:25:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I want something. Nfl I got to pay real fucking money. I'm just setting the record straight. I'm just setting the record straight. 

01:25:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Sure, I understand they got real packages, but that's semantics as far as I'm concerned. And as for Fezzik, he chirps me in my DMs to say I guarantee you Raz will hit 53%. I go, I've actually never insulted Raz, the product, I've only insulted the guy tweeting for Raz and my professional advice would be at that price point, be a top-tier brand, don't fucking argue, right. And except because you're charging that, you're going to take so much more fucking heat than anyone. I actually like churn off. I don't think he runs a twitter. I've never had no, no, no. So my issue with fezik when he came at me was like, in my head, I'm like steve. We had this conversation in my dms yesterday and you came away with a tweet that I actually had to show you rob where he's like. I agree, he agreed, and then the next day he wants to like relitigate it with me publicly. 

01:26:45
Yeah, I just and you know me like Rob, I'm like Ed. I am not like a perfect tweeter. I can be emotional and tweet stupid things, but I don't represent a brand that charges 10 K for a service. I'm your friend, I'm Pat males dingleberry, and when I leave here, I'll go sweep my dad's factory floors. That's what I represent. I don't rep, I don't stand for a brand and if there's things I've got an ownership in in the dfs gambling world you wouldn't even know because that wouldn't do them favors and it wouldn't do me favors and I respect that because I like being able to say whatever the fuck I want I appreciate that okay, so. 

01:27:20
Yeah, so we like. I'm not a perfect tweeter. You can rile me up on twitter the same way Ed gets riled up, but I am not the leader of a service that charges that, so we don't play by the same fucking rules. 

01:27:33 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well said, I'm going to clarify one more time no 10K packages. I just want to set the record straight oh sorry, I didn't mean that. I don't know what the prices are for football season everything if you want everything I, I think it's gonna cost you a couple dimes, at least for the full year of football, I would guess fully, yeah. 

01:27:50 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
If you want full year of everything, it's gonna be expensive, yeah over six. 

01:27:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't care, it's an expensive package relative to the rest of market. We all agree on that and they move markets. Yes, so they get respect for that. Yeah, and like, that is proven, that is undeniable. They track their. They are like said, they are the top of the legitimate circle. Right, we can't include like them in the same category. They'd be more insulted if I included them in the category with the true scammers, which I'm not even penetrating like that because I don't believe that. 

01:28:22 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, I just I personally just wonder how we ever put a bow on this conversation or if that will ever happen, because it's kind of cyclical, right. It's like we have this platform, you guys talk about it. We leave this it comes to Twitter, we come and talk about it the next week. There's got to be a way. 

01:28:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Whatever, I'm not canceling a week at the Four Seasons because some doofuses on a travel blog bash the Four Seasons. I agree it is a product that stands on its own. I'm with you. I agree with what you're saying on that. At the price point for which it charges, it is an impenetrable product. That's how I look at it. Maybe that's unfair, maybe that's an unfair POV, because in the end it's still just pics and fucking Twitter. 

01:29:02 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But that's just the way the world works. 

01:29:03 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
If something's not expensive, you hold it in a higher regard, and we've all been there with any product, rob, where we're like should I buy this private label nothing? Should I spend the fortune on this? Should I get the mid-level? We do this every day with every product we buy. We kind of have these debates with ourselves and when you buy the good ones and you keep going back to it, it's probably doing something right. And you go to that really fancy restaurant and it's not good anymore and you can get the same fucking meal at the keg. You're just like we're going to the keg, sweetie, yeah. 

01:29:35 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Totally agree. See you tonight. No one's going to get nut. Our father is like 90%. American right now, you know when I was in Arizona, I saw a keg 90% American right now. 

01:29:43 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You know, when I was in Arizona I saw a keg. Really no, I swear on my life, it was like, certainly not going to go there for dinner out of the country, yeah, but yeah, I almost wanted to take a picture of it. 

01:29:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I took Joey Knish to the keg. Yeah, I went to the keg with G-Stack George last week as well. George Silfides, what a to establishment. We need a keg sponsorship. We've talked about this for too long. 

01:30:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It truly crushes you go to anywhere. 

01:30:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
it's the same fucking meal. I would happily promote the keg. 

01:30:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Yeah, Very, very consistent. You rarely get like a bad experience, Totally agree. 

01:30:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There was a conference in New York last week, next NYC. I think we're going to push this to next week's show, potentially week's show, potentially just due to time constraints. Here there's some comparisons between the regulated market and offshore which I do want to talk about at some point, but we do have a hard out today. So we're going to go towards our chopping block stuff that just missed the cut and we'll be quick about this. We'll do a little bit of rapid fire here. Bill Belichick is seemingly enjoying life. Is that Bill Belichick that is? Bill Belichick is seemingly enjoying life. Is that bill belichick? That is? Bill belichick holding up his girlfriend? Bill chuck bass tweeted belichick is living like he was given a year to live. Joe osborne, yeah, sign me up for under seven and a half wins for north carolina. There was more to this. Um. Bill belichick asked unc staff to copy his girlfriend on every email they send him. This is the email. I don't have a strong take other than like everyone can live their life however they want to. 

01:31:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I wish it feels like he shouldn't be coaching. 

01:31:14 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah. 

01:31:15 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm in that it feels like he has essentially pulled a LeBron to Bronny James. This is all really to get his children. His children are clearly running the game plans. Yeah, his son, steve, I believe, was qualified Like he's done a good job. Yep, right, even expatriates like will stand for him, or in Washington where he was. But this just seems like he is setting up his kids. You know, like he deserves to live any life he wants. It's almost like why are you coaching Like, just be the man? Do TV segments get paid a fortune? 

01:31:53
But I love it, I love it. He's living his best life. All the power to him, I find it. 

01:32:00 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
This is judgmental on my part, for sure, but I just find it weird. I have always viewed belichick is in like a certain light. Yeah, it's like this hard ass, like hard-nosed head, no bullshit. And it's like you see his personal life now and you're like what the fuck? 

01:32:17 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
but his patriots players have always said, like he's actually pretty fun, like yeah, he's been a hard ass, like the exterior has been a hard ass, but I don't know it been a hard ass, but I don't know. It's just like the whole thing around Halloween, the whole like mermaid suit, like what is going on here. 

01:32:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
If we go back to that previous picture. I think we should replace the person lying on the ground with the head, replace it with Elf's head and put Amanda Vance on the top. 

01:32:43 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
That's a good idea. 

01:32:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what I see. When I see this. I see like an influencer, yeah, that like Belichick is an influencer. Now you know what I'm getting at, yeah. 

01:32:52 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's just very different from how you would perceive him normally, for sure. 

01:32:57 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's just really weird. Grp tweeted the once a month cinnamon apple pancakes never disappoint. Abnormally dissed, found all the tweets of cinnamon apple pancakes and caught him in a lie. January he had three, february two. March so far has already had two. Um, I don't really know what to say about this other than that it's just fucking hilarious. It is actually one of the tweets of the year. 

01:33:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He's like copying and pasting the same description each time. Like February 19th and March 6th, I think, are like literally the same post. 

01:33:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I hadn't seen this, I was looking at Jeff when the original picture came up and he was just like on the edge of his seat and he he said oh no, before the next page came. Well, like he knew what was coming in some capacity. Oh no, you're, you know, you're right you got. 

01:33:52 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I got in a twitter war which makes seem like I was perpetually on twitter, but there are times the phone goes down when you're away. I missed this whole exchange. 

01:34:00 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I'm legit it gets even better. 

01:34:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I love george, january 30th was 49 degrees, so we know the threshold for wearing a jacket. He's looking at the jacket. You cannot slip stuff past people on gambling. 

01:34:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, that was my takeaway as well of like people will Same fit each day except January 30th. 

01:34:20 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Did George respond like? 

01:34:22 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
that yeah, yeah, he responded like in good fun. 

01:34:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He responded like you got me, like one of the fucking. You know Bryan Cranston breaking bad moments. You know what? 

01:34:31 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
In fairness to George, as all of us that have, like certain weaknesses, you might like think like I've only smoked a pack this month. And then someone could be like you've convinced yourself that like no, I only treat myself to the cinnamon apple ones. 

01:34:48 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
There was like no malintent with his tweet, but it's like someone caught him in a lie and it looked fucking hilarious. 

01:34:54 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
This is what Twitter is all about Just fun little stuff like this. 

01:34:57 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I think like holistically he wants to be able to just have them like a once a month treat. 

01:35:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I'm with you In his head. 

01:35:05 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
You know, I think he believed he only had had three 100%. 

01:35:09 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He did not realize that he had so many cinnamon apple pancakes. 

01:35:12 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Maybe when like Like this is like someone showing you you're like, you're P&L. 

01:35:17 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yes, I was thinking the exact same thing. 

01:35:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Maybe this is, like you know not to be disrespectful. You don't have a job. Sometimes time's moving a little bit slower. 

01:35:25 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Two weeks goes by. 

01:35:27 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Time's a blur. He maybe really believed it. 

01:35:30 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It's harder to resist. When you're free every morning for a sit-down diner breakfast, it's harder to keep to the plan. 

01:35:39 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yes, jeff Benson, tentative NFL draft plan at Circus Sports we're planning on listing roughly 60 to 70 guys Draft positions, over-under Positions drafted. Are people mad about this? People are very mad at the $200. 

01:36:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I think I replied to me it just for Circa, like the brand I get. This is a very fluctuating market, but I would say there's as much misinformation way more in this moment misinformation than true information. I know they don't want to be a free roll for people. Yes, if they actually gave limits, people will turn their Circa bets into free rolls by the time things are settled. That being said, from Circa this sort of like comes off as me only able to buy like one 650 milliliter bottle of Coke from Costco. Yeah, like from the brand. 

01:36:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, you're saying a brand that takes high limits and they're offering $200. 

01:36:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Instead of the full tub of margarine, they're only selling me like this little thing. I'm like whoa, you're Costco, so that would be my initial reaction. 

01:36:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
But I think the commentary the comments every week do say that Kirk stands for the books. So let's hear his response from a bookmaker perspective. 

01:36:57 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Well. I think, two things and this is going to be pretty negative towards the book. I think Circa having big limits is like in some things they do. 

01:37:08 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But like what do they take on an NBA total at like 11 am? So you're saying perception isn't reality. They take like 500 bucks. 

01:37:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Well, they don't limit they, they, the, the, the like? 

01:37:12 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I think no, but people think they take big bets and they do only on like, yeah, they'll take a massive bet at post on an NFL side, sure, but like they oftentimes have extremely small limits, but relative to market they're always going to take a bet. 

01:37:27
Yes, they'll always take a bet which is good, but in the NBA the stuff is very small, right. But yeah, whatever, I don't know, I will take their side on this. Maybe $200 is a little bit low, but again, yeah, the draft is really hard to price and people have inside information. It's honestly kind of stunning to me how many books offer stuff on the draft, but it's really declined because they probably got crushed on it. 

01:37:51 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's what I was gonna say like it's. It's such a losing proposition for books to offer it nowadays. Because so much of it's information driven, I understand it. I also agree with jeff like I was surprised to see $200. 

01:38:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But I also respect it like it's Circa. There's just a dude there from the Midwest who wants to bet on the guy that went to his school to get drafted and that's a service that they're offering. That's not going to entice the true draft neck, like the guys that are literally building their portfolios through a draft. 

01:38:27 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Totally agree. A couple more here that we have before the players. This week on the Wednesday there was an influencer tournament. That happened I don't know if you saw this from a barstool, trent when he was hitting out of a green side like it was a tough green side chip the ball like barely moved and dug into a hole and a hole he created. A hole he created like a massive divot and the ball landed there in even a worse spot. I saw Fat Perez nailed like a putt. 

01:38:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
that was very similar to the like Tiger Woods iconic Better than most. Oh yeah, better than it's like. So I think the announcer said fatter than most when he hit it. 

01:39:10 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Which is an all-time line. So I'm just curious what you guys' takes are on the influencer invasion into sports. Because I will say, when John Cena made his heel turn in Toronto at Elimination Chamber, it went bad. For the first time there was someone in the ring there. I don't know A musician, I forget who it is. I don't know who. I'm not a pop culture. 

01:39:35 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Was it Travis Scott? Travis Scott, maybe yeah. 

01:39:38 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
And I was like it's so fucking lame that this guy is in the ring for like one of the most iconic. 

01:39:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Travis Scott is like a McDonald's combo, Rob, Like that's a level of I guess everyone Like that's such a high level of notoriety of McDonald's naming a combo after you. Okay, but I like the golf influences though so do I. 

01:40:01 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
I find them great. 

01:40:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think it's just the world we live in now. Honestly, like YouTube golf is huge now. Honestly, like youtube golf is huge, bring out like youtube golfers to. 

01:40:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'll put you on the map live paid rick shields to essentially be an employee. It's like here's an influencer influencers are yeah, influencers are important. 

01:40:20
Let's just pay an influencer to attract an audience. I I mean, yeah, I like this Golf is so perfect for this. Like, truly, you have the course, you have the fans, you have the setup. Like you have Wednesday and Tuesday where, like, yes, there's practice rounds, but there's a window where it's available to make happen. It is just so goddamn conducive to it and it's fun. Like I, I don't not like try. Like I find dan rapaport annoying, so I enjoyed people like railing them on on twitter. 

01:40:56 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, no, I I'm, I'm into it. I was following over the course of the day. I thought it's pretty cool. I guess it's different for me. I watch a lot of youtube golf, so I'm watching like people that I watch regularly, whereas Travis Scott I don't listen to Travis Scott, I don't know. 

01:41:08 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
So I thought it was lame, but I'm sure a lot of people love the fact that he was there as well, I just think it's good when they're actually good at the sport, which is nice in golf, but I imagine Travis Scott's not a good wrestler, but Barstool Trent is like example. 

01:41:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Most of that was fucking great like watching like my handicap play dbc like it was and it seemed like as he was dumping them in the water, the crowd was getting behind it so felton, I think barstool even had their own mini tournament to decide which barstool guy would get. 

01:41:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
It seemed like the creator classic gave a spot to foreplay, yeah, and then they played it out amongst themselves and I don't know how. I mean, obviously it's a handicap thing for Trent to have won that, but I don't know how Trent beat the other guys in foreplay. 

01:41:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
We'll end it off on the last one. Pickumpedy tweeted five sports betting Twitter people I hate right now, with descriptions of why he hates them. Vig Police, which is man of the Vig, reeks of desperation. Jeffrey Benson pretending he's one of us when he's the literal opposite. No offense, he's just wearing the wrong Jersey. 

01:42:13 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, he's literal. Op Doesn't mean the opposite. 

01:42:18 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So it was the opposition, the opposition, opposition. Thank you. 

01:42:21 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Well, it is. It's just what you works for the sports market. Well, he is, but that's not what literal op means. 

01:42:24 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Thank you, I appreciate it so he is like the dude undercover in a biker gang, like hanging out with us at the club, but really he's just going back. 

01:42:31 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
No, I'm making a joke. 

01:42:33 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I love Benson, to be honest, losing to him in the bracket was an honor. 

01:42:37 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Spin Fluencer had some motion for a second, but then came Des Bryant, culture vulture attempting to be part of the capper space with zero understanding of the community or even how to bet. And then Raspix, consumed by the fact that people who are better than him at marketing are succeeding more than him in his industry. Whatever, Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Just pick them PD's opinions Does. 

01:42:58 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Pick them PD sell picks I don't know, I don't know Based on this list of five, I would imagine he does. 

01:43:05 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
It's very possible Profit. X. Are there any sports betting Twitter people that you hate right now Like hate? No. 

01:43:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Hates? No Okay, Like there's people that could rile me up or say something. 

01:43:21 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Okay, maybe hate's not the, I'll say it I hate Fezzik's Twitter account. Yeah, maybe hate's not the like I'll say I hate fezic's twitter account. Yeah, yeah, I hate. Like it rattles me to my absolute core. The way that he'll tweet something one day and then the exact opposite of it the other day, or tweet things like this, is the be all and end all that. That. That is the like number one on my list. It was a reply. 

01:43:41 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I'm like gonna pat myself on the back here, but I thought I had a great tweet in calling Steve. Steve sees himself as an expert at everything. Yeah, sports, gambling, food and beverage, travel, real estate, comps, stocks Name it. He'll probably tell you how to fix your car if you had a problem. 

01:44:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Or he'll at least tell you who the right guy is to fix your car. 

01:44:06 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
You know the classic Chris Jer. Like reading this whole moveset moveset list. I'm like steve fezik reading the list of things he's an expert at. 

01:44:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yes, there's nothing, I think he would say I don't know about that all right, we're gonna end it on that no, actually there's a bonus because something came up while we're live so while, while we were live, a scheduled post I had about Kanish in his steroid era came out. Oh, I saw that and Kanish replied with photo proof of what he looked like at the time. So here you go. 

01:44:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Really Talking about. 

01:44:43 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Kanish admitted on a Q&A on. Circles Off last week that he used to be buff and he used to use steroids. 

01:44:50 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
yes, and so people didn't believe that, so he posted photos. 

01:44:53 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Kanish is RA right Rob. 

01:44:56 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Now you can decide live what you think, Wait there's no face. Well, no face. 

01:45:03 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
No, but you could tell by the hair on the arms that it's Kanish. He has extremely hairy arms. But you could tell by the hair on the arms that it's Knish. He has extremely hairy arms. And you could tell by. 

01:45:08 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I wouldn't guess this person's droid enough Is this hotel selfies. 

01:45:11 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, what is this? I'm very that looks like a hotel. 

01:45:15 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
It is a hotel. 

01:45:16 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
So he's thirst trapping, for he's on vacation, he's on vacation. 

01:45:19 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He said he was on vacation. 

01:45:21 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
He doesn't really look juiced out to me. 

01:45:22 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
What is it? What are the apps? 

01:45:23 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Yeah he's in great shape. Well, the right is not steroids. 

01:45:27 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I said the gay one. What's the other one? I'm too old you said Grindr. Yeah, what's the other app? 

01:45:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
What are the? 

01:45:33 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
apps Bumble Tinder. 

01:45:39 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's the one I was looking for. Well, he was a younger guy. 

01:45:40 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
You said Grindr, Well it was early 20s for Kanish on vacation. I don't know what he was up to. This is fascinating that he posted this. Well, anyways. 

01:45:52 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I think Kanish got a lot of credit and praise for being on Circle's office, circle back and maybe go into his head. It's definitely got to his head. 

01:45:55 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Okay, good for Rip Joey what. 

01:45:58 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
I wanted to bring up with this. Kanish claims he benched 350 pounds in this era. Do you guys believe Kanish benched 350 pounds in this era? Do you guys believe Kanish benched 350 pounds? How many plates is that, jeez? Come on man. Three. Yeah, it's something like three plates. 

01:46:15 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Yeah, well, like if he was on, yeah, so yeah, three plates is not quite. 

01:46:17 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He doesn't look that huge to me. 

01:46:19 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
So he looks very fit, but like I can't believe we're talking, His chest doesn't look huge. 

01:46:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
And I Sorry, but like I can't believe we're talking, his chest doesn't look huge and I'm sorry, knish, I don't think I would love proof. I'm calling bs on the on the 350 pound. 

01:46:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean he's very physically fit. I've never been in this condition in my life, for sure, but I don't know about 350 300. 

01:46:41 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
Maybe if he was on steroids maybe, but I don't. I'm not that familiar with how much like what they do. 

01:46:47 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Looks like we're going to have another physical challenge coming up in a couple months. 

01:46:49 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Steroids doesn't give you super strength. Steroids just enhances your ability to build muscle, but you still have to work for it? 

01:46:55 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
No for sure. But if he was on steroids and like he's obviously in good shape here, maybe, but yeah, probably not. 

01:47:01 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
He. He brought his electric toothbrush on vacation with him. 

01:47:04 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
That's weird. I don't do that. That's very unusual. I bring one from the dentist. 

01:47:07 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
That's like serial killer vibes. 

01:47:09 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I just bring one, the dentist gives me. 

01:47:11 - Kirk Evans (Co-host)
It's possible that the left is vacation and the right's not. 

01:47:14 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I doubt it, because he says the right's, not Reuters. 

01:47:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That's true. 

01:47:18 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I don't know that sink on the right should be a hotel Like a Hojo. 

01:47:25 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
Howard Johnson or something that might have been his home at the time man. 

01:47:29 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Early 20s. 

01:47:29 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
That doesn't look like it. Pre-bedding, pre-bedding oh, maybe his home. 

01:47:32 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Another thing that really bothers me about the right picture now that we're really breaking it down. You see how he's installed the toilet paper rule. He's in the same like yeah it's the wrong way. The wrong way. I I mean that's. 

01:47:47 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
I can't handle that you're right, that's not a hotel. 

01:47:49 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
They would say they would definitely, if it was a hotel, definitely be facing the proper way with the roll on the other. 

01:47:54 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
But he's wearing the same shirt pants. Well, he's not wearing a shirt. 

01:47:58 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
I mean pants, same shirt. What is a skin? 

01:48:03 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
type shirt. Maybe it was just his workout pants, I don't know. 

01:48:05 - Geoff Feinberg (Co-host)
Well, yeah. So, sir, I'm going to like crotch line. These pants hold the crotch line. 

01:48:10 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
If you're on audio right now, you should probably head over to the YouTube channel to see this. Good for Joe. 

01:48:15 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
Yeah, joey Fitness. I hope I honestly I root for people to be healthy. 

01:48:18 - Jacob Gramegna (Announcement)
He's in good shape. Right now he's working on it. He says we will return to form and past glory, the road back as he got. So when's he coming back? 

01:48:25 - Rob Pizzola (Host)
then We'll figure it out. I got some ideas. Some things are brewing. Make sure you're subbed here on the Circles Off channel. If you enjoyed today's episode, smash that like button. Hashtag Circle Back on Twitter If you want us to talk about anything on the show. We review that every week. Of course, we've got our giveaway as well, so leave us your comments. Sub here, follow us on Twitter as well. And one programming note Do have an interview dropping this week. It's dropping on Wednesday instead of the usual Thursday, thursday's March Madness. Don't want to drop an interview right in the middle of March Madness. It's coming out on Wednesday, 4 pm Eastern Time. Set your notifications, turn them on here. I think you'll enjoy this one quite a bit. This has been Circle Back.